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Post by J-Man on Jun 18, 2007 11:58:55 GMT -5
Here you goPersonally, I think it looks amazing. I can't wait to see it in action!
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Post by baTT on Jun 18, 2007 13:16:17 GMT -5
I see they did a match of the tumbler design. I almost thought that this was gonna go for more of a streetbike look, but I like it, its not horrible or anything.
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Post by batmaster on Jun 18, 2007 13:28:14 GMT -5
I don't like it, but in the movie itself... I don't like the tumbler on the first photo's, but in the movie i love it!
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 18, 2007 13:47:08 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]It does look very strange lol I love it, it just so Nolna style ;D hehe![/glow]
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Post by The Shadow on Jun 18, 2007 15:21:46 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]It looks like Return of The Jedi all over again! -The Shadow[/shadow]
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 18, 2007 15:26:36 GMT -5
My reaction is the same as to the Tumbler: strange and nothing I've ever seen. But that was before I saw it in action! This is so cool! (I hope we get to drive it in the game.)
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Post by Eric on Jun 18, 2007 15:44:47 GMT -5
I absolutely hate this, guys. I really do. I was so excited over the prospect of a cycle, but then I saw this today, and I just couldnt believe it.
One of the things that always put a smile on my face and attracted me to Batmans world was how there was always a hint of a bat in the designs on his gadgets. I feel Nolan is completely removing that from his version and just giving me a bland interpretation of the character Ive loved my entire life.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 18, 2007 16:05:14 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]yeah, but saying that this is more of a realistic Bat's I doubt Bats would take the time to customize all his rides by putting bat symbols on it.[/glow]
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Post by crazyhatter on Jun 18, 2007 16:20:09 GMT -5
I like the design. Sorry you dislike it Shadowbat but I like the fact he doesn't put bat symbols all over his equipment and call it the bat-cycle, etc.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jun 18, 2007 17:04:31 GMT -5
I am not that wild about it, but I was the same way about the tumbler and that grew on me, from seeing it in action, and watching it time and time again. Hopefully this Batpod will eventually grow on me, but right now it's kind of aaahhhh not so sure about it
I was hoping for a style that resembled Paul Pope's Batcycle from his Year 100 story
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jun 18, 2007 17:26:31 GMT -5
Just saw a video of the Batpod from this mornings Today Show and It isn't actually all that bad, I actually like it now that I have seen it somewhat live
here's a link to msn's video player and you might have to look around for the video, the title is move over Batmobile video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?f=msnhome
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Post by MuksC on Jun 18, 2007 18:11:28 GMT -5
i think it's ok, and i am actually happy it doesn't resemble a bat or have any bat symbols on it, that would just be too corny for this new franchise and the direction Nolan is taking it.
i like the fact that it can stand up without needing a cycle stand, it wouldn't look too cool if Batman was chasing a villain, then had to stop and get the stand out for it, before continuing his pursuit of the villain!
i also like the way he sits on it and how his arms/hands go inside those things, so they are protected and also act as the handlebars.
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Post by joshvox on Jun 18, 2007 20:57:46 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] yeah, but saying that this is more of a realistic Bat's I doubt Bats would take the time to customize all his rides by putting bat symbols on it.[/glow] yes, yes, yes--exactly. I'm not sure I like it--my first reaction was that I didn't like it. But the darker photo looks better. I still think the bike should be somewhat covered--thus protecting the rider. We'll see how it is used in the movie.
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Post by dasknight on Jun 18, 2007 21:03:39 GMT -5
So according to the Today show he "needs" this thing. (Nothing to do with Marketing...) Hopefully they work it into the script better than the Batsub was worked into Batman Forever.
As far as the design is concerned, I'm on the fence. Gut reaction was WTF? Seeing it on the Today show was better. I'm sure it will look good on the big screen. Still kinda sore about them going for this over the Batwing. Oh well, maybe the next flick.
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Post by darkclaw on Jun 19, 2007 0:10:15 GMT -5
Looks like Shadowbat and I agree once more....this *Uggh* Bat-pod is terrible!
It looks like what would be stripped out of that god-awful grenage-launching middle section of the other horrid vehicle, the Tumbler. What's with the designer's infatuation with over-sized tires? I guess we didn't get a Bat-wing cause he couldn't get dump truck tires to work with that design
Nolan has let me down 3 times so far with this movie (Joker's face, Bat-suit & Bat-pod), it better not turn out to be another "Superman Returns" bomb!
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Post by Batlaw on Jun 19, 2007 1:11:33 GMT -5
I dont like anything about it as it appears and sounds right now. At least not in any relation to Batman. interesting and creative. Maybe fit in a Tron remake or a rad moon buggy from Star Trek: Enterprise, but not Batman. Are those laser cannons? is there an engine? Could even Batman avoid looking like a dork riding that thing really? Reminds me of something like the next high dollar executive "it toy" like the segue-way scooter. Im one who still isn't blown away with the Tumbler but accept it. I'm really disappointed with the new suit, and despite everything I'm trying to stay optimistic about the Joker.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 19, 2007 7:12:24 GMT -5
Looks like Shadowbat and I agree once more....this *Uggh* Bat-pod is terrible! It looks like what would be stripped out of that god-awful grenage-launching middle section of the other horrid vehicle, the Tumbler. What's with the designer's infatuation with over-sized tires? I guess we didn't get a Bat-wing cause he couldn't get dump truck tires to work with that design Nolan has let me down 3 times so far with this movie (Joker's face, Bat-suit & Bat-pod), it better not turn out to be another "Superman Returns" bomb! [glow=red,2,300] I'm sure it wont, but maybe in your opinion it will.[/glow]
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Post by MuksC on Jun 19, 2007 7:19:36 GMT -5
from the LA Times article about the Batpod:
Wholly high-tech, Batman There's a wild new two-wheeler in the Batcave for 2008's 'Dark Knight.'
Yes, it's ridable. You just have to be a little bit crazy and entirely French to do it.
Specifically, you need to be Jean-Pierre Goy, the stunt rider who's spent the last few months jumping Batman's newest batbike at some top-secret location in England to prep for next summer's Bruce Wayne caper, "The Dark Knight," starring Christian Bale as the caped one.
Goy is the only person who's ridden the new Batpod — a bike so outrageous it's hard to believe it was even built. It's not just because it's tricked out with grappling hooks, cannons and machine guns. The front and rear tires are both a monstrously huge 508 millimeters, and the engines are in the hubs of each wheel. Steering isn't by hand but by shoulder, since there aren't handlebars. Instead, there are shields that fit each arm like sleeves and have the ability to rotate around the bike's frame. The two foot pegs are set 3 1/2 feet apart on either side of the tank, which the rider lies on, belly down.
That tank also moves up and down — you know, in case Batman needs to dodge bullets or slide under semis.
And you know he will.
Lucius Fox, gadget guru for Wayne Enterprises' Applied Sciences division (played by Morgan Freeman), is the guy who came up with the idea. At least he is in the movie.
The real man behind the machine is Nathan Crowley, creator of the Batmobile for Warners Bros. 2005 hit, "Batman Begins."
"The way we make films is we build things for real. We try and not rely on visual effects," said Crowley, who, in the end, had the easier job in making the bike come to life.
It was Chris Corbould who had to build the thing.
"I thought there was no chance we'd actually achieve it," Corbould said. "[Director] Chris Nolan and Nathan went for the look of it rather than thinking about the mechanics. That was the biggest challenge: Get their vision, but make it work and perform."
Not just once but several times. There are actually six Batpods, in case one or several are crashed during filming, which is likely.
Corbould wouldn't say what sort of engine was used for the slick gray-and-silver Batpod, just that it's "high performance." Nor would he give its top speed, except to say it's "very fast."
And the cost?
"I can't tell you that," Courbould said, laughing. "I haven't even told the producers."
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no laser cannons it seems, and yes, there are engines. i just wish some of you would open your minds a bit and not hate everything you see upon first sight, just because it doesn't fit with your ideal design or vision.
i like the suit, i'm not in love with the bike but i don't have any specific problem with it either, and am just excited and grateful that this group of people are working their asses off to make something with such care, effort and passion.
all opinions are valid, but some people just slate everything for the hell of it.
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 19, 2007 7:24:56 GMT -5
I actually don't have as much of a problem with the cycle as I do with the new suit. Not that I like the design, because I don't, but at least it's in the same tumbler style as the Batmobile. Maybe when I see clips of it in action, I'll change my mind
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Post by Eric on Jun 19, 2007 11:16:05 GMT -5
from the LA Times article about the Batpod: Lucius Fox, gadget guru for Wayne Enterprises' Applied Sciences division (played by Morgan Freeman), is the guy who came up with the idea. At least he is in the movie. The real man behind the machine is Nathan Crowley, creator of the Batmobile for Warners Bros. 2005 hit, "Batman Begins." "The way we make films is we build things for real. We try and not rely on visual effects," said Crowley, who, in the end, had the easier job in making the bike come to life. "I thought there was no chance we'd actually achieve it," Corbould said. "[Director] Chris Nolan and Nathan went for the look of it rather than thinking about the mechanics. That was the biggest challenge: Get their vision, but make it work and perform." Here are some things Im having problems with. Hes getting everything from Fox. Its like Batman has no skills of his own. Show me something you can build and create yourself. He has no detective skills and no engineering skills. He just has some fight training in Nolans version.
Nolan went for the look of it? What look? Its 2 tires and a bar. We dont rely on visual effects, we want it to work for real. Um, every Batmobile and bat bike worked in the previous movies, plus it was designed to look visually cool. like it or dislike it.
Also, Im not saying to put batsymbols all over it. Im saying have some type of design to his stuff that implies that, yeh, thats Batmans.
Also, Im not bashing just to bash it. I had really high hopes for TDK, up until the suit and "pod" pic. As long as these 2 items arent in the movie but in the final act, Ill be fine with it. I still am liking Joker. So far.lol
I like all the Batman movies for different reasons, but Ive always been a movie bat guy. Nolans vision is just really letting me down. I do not find it entertaining, and I do not find it to be anything more than a "de-bat-i-fying" of a great character. Nolan has stripped any "bat" from him and has made an urban, Punisher styled vigilante who relies on only brute force. Thats not Batman to me. Theres more than that.
This is my take, and I said this back when Begins came out, WB seems to follow a pattern, and I honestly see it happening again. They wanted to update Batman from the 60's show to a more modern, darker version. Burton gave us that. WB liked it, they gave him more free reign on the follow up. Too much of Burtons "vision" didnt go over that well. Schumacher came in to deliver yet another version of Batman. Forever was a hit, WB liked it, follow up, B&R. Now we have Nolan, brought some respectability back to the character and brought him back to a more darker, serious character. Poeple liked it. Now we're geting, imo, more of Nolans vision. There is alot of different takes on what we're seeing. Good and bad. The same thing that had happened with both Returns and B&R, tho more for the latter. I can honestly see a backlash from TDK and us getting yet another Director to take over with a different vision, like we got with Batman, Forever and Begins. Ima lso not the only one who thinks this.
These are just my opinions and thoughts. Im not saying Im right or youre wrong. If you are liking this, good for you. Im not.
lets just discuss what we are getting up until the movie gets released and then make final judgments, but until then, theres no reason why we all cant discuss these things and try to understand each persons point of view on them.
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Post by MuksC on Jun 19, 2007 12:15:31 GMT -5
good post. i understand what you mean about the pattern, but i honestly don't think the same will happen this time. from what i know, Nolan explained his vision to WB from the start, his plan was for 3 movies which all obviously follow on from one another and will all be in the same style. i don't think we'll get something hugely different that will alienate any fans of Begins, creating the backlash experienced by Schumacher after B & R. if someone hates TDK, they probably hated Begins already, and if they liked Begins, they'll probably like TDK.
and about Bruce getting all his toys from Fox, i think that's acceptable in a realistic portrayal of the story. i don't see how Bruce could be an engineering or scientific expert. some people have said Batman should be collecting hair/DNA sample or fingerprints from crime scenes or wherever, i don't necessarily agree, it's not "CSI: Batman" is it?
sure he can be a detective, but i don't think it's realistic for him to be building his vehicles or conducting scientific experiements to solve crimes. sure he can make a few small electronic gadgets (his earpiece radio received thingy), but building the batmobile or bike is a bit far fetched in my opinion.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 19, 2007 12:39:58 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]The new Nolan movies take all the comic stuff seroues, which will insure it good, Im glad that the Long Halloween is being used in TDK, I mean it basically is the same story , and Im just glad we have better characters in them, so as a chance for Dent, Plus I doubt the bike will be used until the end anyway or the middle, but not for the whole film.[/glow]
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Post by wayneson on Jun 19, 2007 12:53:17 GMT -5
Shadowbat said: Here are some things Im having problems with. Hes getting everything from Fox. Its like Batman has no skills of his own. Nolan has stripped any "bat" from him and has made an urban, Punisher styled vigilante who relies on only brute force. Thats not Batman to me. Theres more than that.
These are just my opinions and thoughts. Im not saying Im right or youre wrong. If you are liking this, good for you. Im not.
lets just discuss what we are getting up until the movie gets released and then make final judgments, but until then, theres no reason why we all cant discuss these things and try to understand each persons point of view on them.Right you are. None of this sturm and drang means anything until the movie comes out, but discussions about what we have been shown is fun and entertaining. As far as your take on Nolan's "de-batting" of our beloved icon, I do think it is a necessary evil. People like us don't have to be sold on a Batman movie, but most people out there could care less about another Batman film, even after the success of "Begins." One of the reasons for that is that to many, the whole Batman thing is just silly. Now we can all try to convince people that the character is rich in history, depth, motivation, best fictional character since Sherlock Holmes, blah blah blah - but the average movie-goer is largely ambivalent. The classic, comic book Batman has been done - done to death, in the minds of many. These recent films have gone (radically) towards realism because that's the only place TO go. So, instead of the gothic, retro-style Batmobiles of the past movies, we get an urban, all-terrain assualt vehicle that could exist in the real world - and that the average, non-"Bat worshipping" guy or gal would think is cool and different. This "bat-pod" or cycle seems to follow the same pattern. Another aspect of that realism is the de-bunking of the notion that Bruce Wayne (a college dropout) could engineer AND build all this stuff on his own - of COURSE he has an engineer helping him. You also mention that he has no detective skills - well, in "Begins" he did interrogate Flass, track and locate the second location of the drugs, and figure out what Ra's plan was BEFORE the police or anyone else did - this is after being Batman for only a few months. I fully expect more of Batman's detective skills to be on display in this film, as those skills lean towards the realistic qualities of Batman that Nolan favors. I am TOTALLY digging everything that we have seen so far; for me, it's exactly the direction I was hoping for.
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Post by Batguy1966 on Jun 19, 2007 13:27:09 GMT -5
From the front tires to the way he is sitting my money is on the fact that it part of the tumbler (Batmobile) that seperates for easy escape.
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Post by MuksC on Jun 19, 2007 13:38:04 GMT -5
it's a possibility, but from what i read on BOF, it's an entirely separate vehicle, not connected to the tumbler at all.
if it did come out from the tumbler, it would be slightly reminiscent of the Batmissile from Batman Returns.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 19, 2007 14:26:34 GMT -5
I don't really know what to think at the moment. His center of gravity is really far forward. From a practical standpoint, I would think that it would be dangerous to drive. The more that the center of gravity is in the center, the safer it would be. It may be different in action.
The design isn't bad. The bat-pod is not something I care too much about anyway. I just hope that we get one cinematic fight scene. While I understand the gritty and confusing fight scenes of Begins, I still would delight in a good old fashioned showdown between characters.
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 19, 2007 14:58:45 GMT -5
From the front tires to the way he is sitting my money is on the fact that it part of the tumbler (Batmobile) that seperates for easy escape. That would actually be kinda cool, IMO
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 19, 2007 15:06:17 GMT -5
Here's a larger hi-res pic of the Batcycle:
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Post by MuksC on Jun 19, 2007 16:23:43 GMT -5
i don't think his CoG is too far forward actually. he's leaning on it on his stomach, with his arms out in front of him, but his legs are sort of behind him either side of the rear wheel.
and yes, i also hope they show a good fight scene where you can actually see him fighting. i understand why they did the confusing fightscenes in Begins, but hope they show it properly in TDK.
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Post by crazyhatter on Jun 19, 2007 17:19:44 GMT -5
From the front tires to the way he is sitting my money is on the fact that it part of the tumbler (Batmobile) that seperates for easy escape. I thought I just read on BOF that the cockpit in the Tumbler he goes into to shot missles actually deploys the the Pod from. So the Pod actually is part of the Tumbler until it is deployed.
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