clownprince1
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Why so Serious?
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Post by clownprince1 on Mar 22, 2008 15:03:59 GMT -5
With only 4 months till the movie opens we already has a teaser, a trailer and tons of pictures.
Let's try to piece together how the movie will go.....
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trashsmasher
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Post by trashsmasher on Mar 22, 2008 15:41:28 GMT -5
Well assuming the "bank scene" really is the first 5 minutes of the film, we can assume it starts with a daring bank robbery pulled off by the Joker (already the Joker at this point).
I'm interested to see if they flashback how he got this way, and was he like this way (makeup,ect) when Gordon mentioned him at the end of Begins?
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Post by batfan93 on Mar 24, 2008 4:50:22 GMT -5
A flashback! That's what I want too! I really hope that he fell in acid/chemicals, although I doubt Nolan would do that.
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Post by MuksC on Mar 24, 2008 12:20:05 GMT -5
Nolan's already said numerous times that the Joker just "is", he exists as the entity we have already seen, there will be no flashback or origin for him, "he is an absolute" in Nolan's own words. Joker robs the bank and holds all the criminals' money ransom, in return he wants more criminals to come to Gotham to fight Batman and in his view, eliminate Batman. if you want to know more of the events in the movie, then read this, but i warn you it is extremely spoiler-ish, so you read it at your own risk: Click
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Oswald Cobblepot
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Post by Oswald Cobblepot on Mar 25, 2008 8:16:25 GMT -5
i really like how there doing two-faces orgin, but the jokers? i mean rotting make-up? I'm kinda disappointed about that.
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Post by MuksC on Mar 25, 2008 10:02:54 GMT -5
why, do you want him to have perma-white skin from being dropped in a vat of acid?
if someone really fell into a vat of acid, or toxic waste, i doubt it'd just dye their skin white, it would probably burn most of the flesh off their body. in the realistic world Nolan's aiming for in these movies, old make-up left to decay makes more sense than his skin being dyed white, in my opinion.
we already saw Nicholson have that origin, so i'm glad they've done something different, and more feasible, with this movie.
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Oswald Cobblepot
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Post by Oswald Cobblepot on Mar 26, 2008 7:59:02 GMT -5
ya i can see Nolan's aiming for the realistic world, but for me the acid or gin works better for the joker.thats just my opinion. Again i am very happy he's doing it realistic because the jack Nicholson one was very childish.
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SuperPa
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Post by SuperPa on Mar 26, 2008 8:18:41 GMT -5
Every one is bashing the only Jack Nichelson Joker i though he was pretty good as the Joker.
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Post by /\/\att on Mar 26, 2008 8:51:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure If I'd use the word "realistic" when it comes to the world of batman, lol. The new joker is a darker version. The Nicholson version was more of a throwback to what Joker used to be...Ledger is what he is now. Its just evolution. One isn't better or worse, really.
Its like saying JLU is better than Super Friends. Not the same thing. Different time, different place.
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Post by MuksC on Mar 26, 2008 10:01:59 GMT -5
i'm not saying either is "better" than ther other, they are both perfect for the world in which they were created for.
Nolan's agenda was to make everything real-world, feasible, a complete opposite to the fantastical world in Batman & Robin, for example. in this world, someone dropped into acid would have all his flesh burnt off his body and would probvably die right there and then, not become a formidable criminal, it wouldn't be believable to have only his skin turn white and his hair turn green.
for me, in this movie, Joker wearing make-up is a million times better than him falling into acid (again). don't misunderstand me, i love Batman '89, and Jack's Joker was perfect for that movie and that time, but for this world, today, i believe Nolan's done it the right way.
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Post by jlavaia on Mar 26, 2008 10:10:04 GMT -5
i'm not saying either is "better" than ther other, they are both perfect for the world in which they were created for. Nolan's agenda was to make everything real-world, feasible, a complete opposite to the fantastical world in Batman & Robin, for example. in this world, someone dropped into acid would have all his flesh burnt off his body and would probvably die right there and then, not become a formidable criminal, it wouldn't be believable to have only his skin turn white and his hair turn green. for me, in this movie, Joker wearing make-up is a million times better than him falling into acid ( again). don't misunderstand me, i love Batman '89, and Jack's Joker was perfect for that movie and that time, but for this world, today, i believe Nolan's done it the right way. i feel i have to jump in here before this goes too far. i have no clue where you got that Joker ever fell into acid, but he never did. Joker got the way he is by falling into a vat of toxic chemicals. it was never revealed what chemicals, but it was not acid. hence why he was not burned alive. so let's put an end to the Joker fell into acid incorrectness. as for Nolan's Batman movies being real-world, i dont know where you live, but where i am there are no costumed criminals and costumed heroes. so Nolan's movies are not close to anything that could possibly go on in the real world and in real life.
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Post by MuksC on Mar 26, 2008 12:49:40 GMT -5
ok, my bad, i should have said toxic waste/chemicals and not acid.
and i know there are no vigilantes dressed as bats running around in our real world, but Nolan is going for a more *feasible* take on the Batman mythos, so we wouldn't get bad guys such as Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy as we saw in B&R, or Penguin or Catwoman how we saw them portrayed in Batman Returns.
so in the same way, being dropped in toxic chemicals would do waaay more damage to someone's body than just change the colour of the skin and hair, their internal organs would probably be dissolved for a start, from the amount of stuff they swallowed while in the vat.
so having Joker simply wear make-up is a realistic, understandable way of making him have a white face and green hair.
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Post by jlavaia on Mar 26, 2008 13:27:18 GMT -5
ok, my bad, i should have said toxic waste/chemicals and not acid. and i know there are no vigilantes dressed as bats running around in our real world, but Nolan is going for a more *feasible* take on the Batman mythos, so we wouldn't get bad guys such as Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy as we saw in B&R, or Penguin or Catwoman how we saw them portrayed in Batman Returns. so in the same way, being dropped in toxic chemicals would do waaay more damage to someone's body than just change the colour of the skin and hair, their internal organs would probably be dissolved for a start, from the amount of stuff they swallowed while in the vat. so having Joker simply wear make-up is a realistic, understandable way of making him have a white face and green hair. we dont know what type of chemicals they were. people get chemical peels and use chemical substances and are not killed. and he may not have swallowed anything. it's all unknown. regardless, wearing full clown makeup and committing crimes while being pursued by a man in a bat suit who is also pursuing a man in a burlap mask using fear chemicals and all at the same time, in the same city, there is also a man with half his face burned off committing crimes as well is not too realistic. no comic based movie is going to be realistic, no matter how bad the director wants it to be and tells people it is. i can see why no origin is necessary though for the movie. anyone going to see this movie knows who the Joker is, and the target audience could care less how he came to be that way. so i can see why they wouldnt waste movie time doing an unnecessary flashback origin.
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 26, 2008 16:36:37 GMT -5
i feel i have to jump in here before this goes too far. i have no clue where you got that Joker ever fell into acid, but he never did. Joker got the way he is by falling into a vat of toxic chemicals. it was never revealed what chemicals, but it was not acid. hence why he was not burned alive. so let's put an end to the Joker fell into acid incorrectness. as for Nolan's Batman movies being real-world, i dont know where you live, but where i am there are no costumed criminals and costumed heroes. so Nolan's movies are not close to anything that could possibly go on in the real world and in real life. Whether it's acid or chemicals, we know what he's talking about. And yeah, we know that it's not totally real world, but they're based in realism. And I know there aren't criminals in clown make-up, burlap sack masks, and scarred faces running around.
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clownprince1
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Post by clownprince1 on Mar 27, 2008 15:52:58 GMT -5
What Heath has done is the way to go w/ the Joker and whoever takes over the reins post NOLAN should follow not compltely but take a mix of Mark Hamill and Heath togther....
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Post by electri on Mar 28, 2008 11:36:36 GMT -5
didn't read any spoilers becuz I want this to be somewhat special to me like BB as I read nothing on that and just watched the trailers so I only had tghe slightest idea of what it was about trying to do the same for TDK
I like the idea joker didn't fall in the vat chemicals in this film
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