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Post by TheQuestion on Aug 15, 2004 11:39:32 GMT -5
does anyone know why Kevin Conroy isn't voicing The Batman. I miss his voice already!!!
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Post by /\/\att on Aug 15, 2004 12:58:06 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]They wanted to start fresh with this toon. Its not a part of the old continuity...its an all new vision.
They do this all the time in comics, and people don't mind. Change artists, styles and directions...even time periods. For some reason in cartoons people complain. Go figure.
Everyone loves Conroy. No doubt about that. But he's still on JLU![/shadow]
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Post by Robin on Aug 15, 2004 13:16:21 GMT -5
They had to get rid of Conroy sometime. As good as he is, the animated universe needs to be refreshed.
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Post by J-Man on Aug 15, 2004 13:43:50 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Kevin Conroy... one of my favorite voice artists period. He is Batman. But Rino sounds perfect, too. And I'm sure the next guy will, and the guy after that, and so on. It's Batman. It rarely disappoints. [/shadow]
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Post by Bat-Thumb on Aug 15, 2004 21:46:08 GMT -5
Yeah, there's not just one person, in the whole world, that's good for Batman's voice.
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Post by Wonderboy on Aug 16, 2004 0:02:16 GMT -5
Kevin Conroy is the perfect Batman, but as stated above, this is a new series. People have to realise this and get over it. I've seen so many people complain about the animation, the voice acting, and all that, but they just don't get it. We're lucky to even have a new Batman series, and I for one am stoked beyond belief!
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Post by BaTfReAk25 on Aug 20, 2004 6:46:01 GMT -5
does anyone know why Kevin Conroy isn't voicing The Batman. I miss his voice already!!! batman is supposed to be young here
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Post by Det27 on Aug 22, 2004 14:18:53 GMT -5
I'm glad Conroy isn't on this but still is on JLU. So far, all of the changes(Rasta Joker, Japanimation style to everything, slang talking hipster Bruce, red-Hulk Bane) all seem like unneccesary and frivilous "ipdates" of things that haven't needed updating for more than a half century.
The Joker in Batman 1, 1949 is as menacing now and has basically the same appearance from 1940 to the present (overlooking campy 50's comics and 60's tv).
I'm going to check this show out, but I'm really glad I still have JLU.
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Post by /\/\att on Aug 23, 2004 3:13:43 GMT -5
I'm glad Conroy isn't on this but still is on JLU. So far, all of the changes(Rasta Joker, Japanimation style to everything, slang talking hipster Bruce, red-Hulk Bane) all seem like unneccesary and frivilous "ipdates" of things that haven't needed updating for more than a half century. The Joker in Batman 1, 1949 is as menacing now and has basically the same appearance from 1940 to the present (overlooking campy 50's comics and 60's tv). I'm going to check this show out, but I'm really glad I still have JLU. Well, Bane isn't half a century old, and IMO he is in need of a serious overhaul. he was created to use for Knightfall, and DC never really knew what to do with him after that. Same with Azrael. I'm glad someone is breathing new life into Bane.
As for hipster Bruce....Bruce IS a hipster. He's a young, rich playboy. I think this toon is the first in a long time to have a decent grasp on what that would really mean. Sometimes in comics you get some writers that are way out of touch with reality lol. You want him talking in 40s slang instead? Some things need to keep updating.
The Joker has taken on different forms over the years. All follow the same formula, and so does this new one! The clown face, the crazy schemes, the laughing gas and the insanity. All the necessities are there.
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Post by Det27 on Aug 23, 2004 5:49:47 GMT -5
There's a seen in Ed Brubaker's early run on Batman that has Bruce fooling around with a girl at a dinner, putting spoons on his nose. That was amusing.
The dialogue in the Batman strikes sounds like a 50 year old trying really hard to write young using "sweet" and "axe". I'm around the age Bruce is supposed to be in this show, and I've never heard anybody I know talk like that that's over 13 years old. He's Batman, not a Ninja Turtle. He's mid 20's, not 12. Hanging out at nightclubs is one thing. But doing extreme sports and talking in cliche "jive" that's already out of date among teenagers, nevermind twenty-somethings, makes the writers seem out of touch. But maybe that's just the comic.
Bane is more menacing as an intelligent plotter with augmented strength than a monster. That's more Batman and Robin kind of stuff. Do you know if Batman will be mindless or will he be intelligent, like the comics? The design suggests mindless, but that may not be so and just an assumption.
This Joker is the furtherest departure from the Joker I've ever seen outside of Elseworlds. Do you know if any of his origin(s) is/are intact (Red Hood or Jack Napier orStand-up comedian but always Batman and chemical factory)?
I'll wait and see, but what I've seen doesn't impress me personally. Not quite Shumacher level from what I've seen so far, but I'll keep an open mind until it premieres. But I suppose that's why they make different things for different people.
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Post by /\/\att on Aug 23, 2004 6:06:47 GMT -5
Firstly, you cannot compare the writing in Batman Strikes to the writing in the show. They're written by different people!
Your assumption that Bane is mindless boggles me. How exactly did you arrive at this conclusion? Just because he can transform into the monster, doesn't mean in his humanoid form he's not plotting and cunning.
Batman can't really be the seasoned detective we know him as in year 3 of the "war", but he's far from mindless. The batman has never and will never be portrayed as mindless.
Yes, this joker is one of the most extreme versions..but so what?
You people need to lighten up and just try to enjoy things.
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Post by Det27 on Aug 23, 2004 16:38:56 GMT -5
The way others lightend up on Catwoman? I agree it was horrible looking, but still.
It's just opinion. You have yours. I have mine. I respect your opinion. I hope you respect mine. It's not intended just to flame. It's an honest and thought out opinion with reasons to back up my thoughts.
I'm not saying this is Catwoman. But right now, it looks to me about the level of a Birds of Prey, more problems than pluses, which could teeter towards Catwoman/Shumacher or, hopefully, teeter towards BTAS, Batman 89, and the comics.
The great thing about boards like these is you can hear from everyone. If everyone had the same opinion, you could just have 2 members going back and forth reaffriming their views. What would be the point?
I'm assuming he's like the Hulk as he transforms like the Hulk and looks like a big red Hulk. Batman and Robin painted him like an idiot. I was honestly asking if you knew.
And is it a big leap to assume the comic based on the cartoon will be written like the cartoon? Though I always thought the last animated book lacked the teeth of the actual show or any of the innovative stories. Mostly stock "chasing the costumed bad guy and capturing him" stories as opposed to stuff like Over the Edge or Heart of Ice.
I'll check it out. I wont condemn the cartoon before I see it. But except for the Batman design and the Edge, everything else seems like the result of a marketing focus group trying to reach pre-teens and sell toys. The anime style which is big with kids in Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh, etc, the "hip" and young takes on all of the characters and dialogue, the, as Astro said, "token" representaion of minorities with shoe-horned in new characters, and the product tie-in in the form of Batwave. Jeanette Kahn at DC said that DC's average reader age is 35 years old. Maybe this is an attempt to try and reach younger audiences.
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Post by reideen1313 on Aug 23, 2004 22:08:36 GMT -5
Your assumption that Bane is mindless boggles me. How exactly did you arrive at this conclusion? Just because he can transform into the monster, doesn't mean in his humanoid form he's not plotting and cunning.
I think people are making an assumption, based on the few pics that have been shown. I can understand how they are assuming that this version of Bane is similar to the Hulk and it's an easy jump in logic to make. Banner goes from skinny smart guy to big, green colored mindless freak. Bane goes from skinny (smart?) guy to big red colored (appears to be) mindless freak. That said, I disagree with that assumption. This is one show that I am willing to sit back and watch with an open mind. Yes, I have preconceptions of what Batman is supposed to be - the same is true of the his rogues. However, for Batman to continue to be relevant in the media, there must be "reinvisionings" and retellings of his origin and his history. There must be room for change and to "modernize" the mythos. Without that ability, we would be stuck with the Superfriends forever, and thus, we would never have seen BTAS. How about the Adam West and Burt Ward style Batman and Robin today? There would be no Dark Knight, as Burton envisioned - we would be stuck with Egghead, the Bat-tusi and Batman and Robin "climbing" up the "side" of the building. Those things are great from a nostalgic standpoint, but they would not fly with today's consumers. BTAS was not immediately accepted by the general public - it took time to develop into the classic that it has become today. We had to trust that the animators and writers had a vision that would be true to Batman. Give Matsuda & Co that same trust.
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Post by /\/\att on Aug 23, 2004 23:32:49 GMT -5
The way others lightend up on Catwoman? I agree it was horrible looking, but still. Ok, lets not go that far! Catwoman was a COMPLETE and TOTAL departure from mythos, not a new vision. There's a huge difference there. The great thing about boards like these is you can hear from everyone. If everyone had the same opinion, you could just have 2 members going back and forth reaffriming their views. What would be the point? and this has what to do with our discussion? Please point out to me where I told you everyone should think the same? I'm simply expressing my opinion the same as you. What I grow tired of is people being shocked about marketing tie-ins for cartoons. *gasp* imagine that. No one EVER does that! Its not that big of deal. They made every stupid gimmicky piece of merchandise for BTAS. Tying it into the show a little would've made it way better. More interactive for kids.
..and another thing..have you never SEEN anime?! Sorry, but the designs for 'the Batman' are NOT anime even slightly. The animation style has a modern flare, but its FAR from anime.
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Post by Det27 on Aug 24, 2004 6:06:21 GMT -5
Batman was darker when he first appeared in 1939 then he was now, so this isn't rescuing us from Superfriends. He's supposed to be dark, though the 60's show and Super Friends are good for the times.
I've seen lots of anime, and don't care for it. It's very anime, just like Jackie Chan Adventures. Bane looks like something right out of Akira, with the veins, etc. Bruce has the large, anime eyes. The color scheme and all of the character designs. Check out Akira and Ghost in the Shell and compare. It's not the goofier anime like Teen Titans, but the more noirish stuff like the films listed above.
BTAS didn't have product tie ins built in. There were no variant costumes in the show(except an occsianal helmet of flight suit, but never any that were actual toys dead on) and wasn't preplanned with a toy compnay to begin with. Half of the toys produced for BTAS never appeared in the show. Nor were they written in.
This one is attempting to replicate Captain Power with screen activated toys, which is much more closer a tie-in than toys based on a license, like BTAS, Star Wars, etc. . They're also using the different variant costumes, planned out ahead with Mattel. This would make this show more like the modern Transformers show, a He-Man cartoon, or any other show based on toys where the toys are actually influencing the plots of the show rather than vice-versa. The new Transformers is a half hour ad for the toys.
Justice League has toys based on it but doesn't add in the weird variants nor are toys specially made to interact with stuff drawn in to the show(the Captain Power signals). It's a big difference from having marketing tie-ins and being a commercial.
To me, it seems that this show, until I see it, is being overly controlled and created by marketing people over creative people, for the reasons I already listed. JLU obviously isn't, or Superman would have been using some vehicle Mattel sells last week instead of having Hawk and Dove, who no one likes and is indulging the creators only.
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Post by /\/\att on Aug 24, 2004 6:21:37 GMT -5
JLU is terrible so far.
I never said BTAS had tie-ins...I said the show would've been all the better for it. It still had every crazy piece of merchandise imaginable dedicated to it, and if you're going to make it anyway, may as well incorporate some of it.
I grew up in the 80s...EVERY cartoon I watched was a half hour commercial. Big deal.
I've spoken on many occasions with the creative team behind this show, and I can assure you that their stance is trying to make the best Batman cartoon they can, not what marketing is interested in. If marketing needs to tie-in some things, so be it. Who really cares. The cartoon is for kids..has been since it began. If fans like it, then great. But if you're that uptight, I don't see how you manage to enjoy anything.
I mean, you're acting as if the cartoon is BASED on marketing tie-ins, which is absurd and quite untrue. Now, being a collector, I'm pleased about a few tie-ins..it makes it all the more fun for me and my son to enjoy.
IF you can sit back watch it and have fun, you'll probably like it. If you're going to fanboy knit pick, then you probably won't. It won't be BTAS. It will be different. Change isn't always bad. Its about time we gave someone else a chance to tell the mythos in animated form!
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Post by TheQuestion on Aug 24, 2004 9:59:32 GMT -5
Im extremely excited for the entire show, I mean, since I havent seen any of th e commericals(moving), Ive beeen watching th little flash intro on KIDsWB almost everyday. tell me if thats not excited!!!! anyway, I think Rino sounds fine, the only reason I started this thread was to find out why make the change. It's obvious now that Rino was chosen since he can do a younger version of the Conroy Batman.
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Post by scabs on Aug 24, 2004 12:05:36 GMT -5
BTAS didn't have product tie ins built in. There were no variant costumes in the show(except an occsianal helmet of flight suit, but never any that were actual toys dead on) and wasn't preplanned with a toy compnay to begin with. Half of the toys produced for BTAS never appeared in the show. Nor were they written in. So what makes you so sure that all those variant costumes of "The Batman" are in the new show?
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Post by BullocK on Aug 24, 2004 12:32:04 GMT -5
So what makes you so sure that all those variant costumes of "The Batman" are in the new show? [shadow=red,left,300]It's already been established that Batman will sport some of those costumes in the new toon.[/shadow]
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Post by scabs on Aug 24, 2004 12:48:55 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]It's already been established that Batman will sport some of those costumes in the new toon.[/shadow] Well I don't know where you read it was "established", but your source is less than acurate.
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Post by BullocK on Aug 24, 2004 12:51:24 GMT -5
Well I don't know where you read it was "established", but your source is less than acurate. [shadow=red,left,300]Is that so? Hmm, well I guess we'll see. ;D Seriously though, I've heard this from many, many sources, so no need for any further back and forth bickering, because I'm not in the mood for it. Your opinion is yours, mine is mine..let's just leave it at that.[/shadow]
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Post by scabs on Aug 24, 2004 13:10:31 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]Is that so? Hmm, well I guess we'll see. ;D Seriously though, I've heard this from many, many sources, so no need for any further back and forth bickering, because I'm not in the mood for it. Your opinion is yours, mine is mine..let's just leave it at that.[/shadow] Sorry if my post read as combative, that wasn't my intention. ;D I guess my point is alot of people have been spreading alot of information about the show who either don't work on the show or haven't seen many of the episodes. Alot of the info has been false (ie. that Batman/Bruce Wayne lives in a sewer for one). Oh, and /\/\att, do you really think JLU is terrible? I thought the kid episode was kind of fun. Each to his own I guess.
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Post by BullocK on Aug 24, 2004 13:21:18 GMT -5
Sorry if my post read as combative, that wasn't my intention. ;D [shadow=red,left,300]No worries. [/shadow]
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Post by reideen1313 on Aug 24, 2004 13:25:57 GMT -5
I'm not even going to touch the Anime part of this discussion. If you think that American animation can hold a candle to anything being done overseas, you need to watch more than just the anime shown on Cartoon Network. American animation is just catching up to where other companies have been for years. Batman was darker when he first appeared in 1939 then he was now, so this isn't rescuing us from Superfriends. He's supposed to be dark, though the 60's show and Super Friends are good for the times. But, Batman only existed in movie serials and comics at the time. There were no Batman cartoons. The first Batman cartoons were Superfriends. He was based on the Adam West, campy version of the hero. Therefore, no "reinvisioning," no BTAS. BTAS didn't have product tie ins built in. There were no variant costumes in the show(except an occsianal helmet of flight suit, but never any that were actual toys dead on) and wasn't preplanned with a toy compnay to begin with. Half of the toys produced for BTAS never appeared in the show. Nor were they written in. So, this is better how? This show has toys that are actually part of the show, instead of the endless day glow variants that made no sense. IMO, this is better because the suits that we see on the toys will appear in the show. This one is attempting to replicate Captain Power with screen activated toys, which is much more closer a tie-in than toys based on a license, like BTAS, Star Wars, etc. . They're also using the different variant costumes, planned out ahead with Mattel. This would make this show more like the modern Transformers show, a He-Man cartoon, or any other show based on toys where the toys are actually influencing the plots of the show rather than vice-versa. The new Transformers is a half hour ad for the toys. If you honestly believe that there has been an American cartoon made since the FCC loosened it's regulations on tie ins, you're crazy. Justice League has toys based on it but doesn't add in the weird variants nor are toys specially made to interact with stuff drawn in to the show(the Captain Power signals). It's a big difference from having marketing tie-ins and being a commercial. Actually, it does. Since when has Flash ever needed a motorcycle? When is the last time you saw Batman or Superman wear some of the Mission Vision gear? How about WW with the aluminium foil cape? I must have missed that episode. To me, it seems that this show, until I see it, is being overly controlled and created by marketing people over creative people, for the reasons I already listed. JLU obviously isn't, or Superman would have been using some vehicle Mattel sells last week instead of having Hawk and Dove, who no one likes and is indulging the creators only. I, for one, would rather have a set of Hawk and Dove figures, than the endless core 7 variants. This line could easily become the Super Powers of today's generation. Unfortunately, I don't think that Mattel will take it that way. We will get a few characters outside of the big guns, but not anywhere near what it could be. As far as them using vehicles needlessly, why did Green Lantern, Supergirl and Captain Atom need to ride in the Javelin? Couldn't GL just have carried Green Arrow in one of his energy bubbles, like he has done in the past - in both the 'toon and the comics? If you look at the big picture, this IS a half hour commercial. Just like every other cartoon out there today. It is designed to tie into the toys, lunch boxes, towels, bed sheet sets, wrapping paper and party goods, etc that will be marketed based on this line. Mattel is like any other company in the world - they are in business to make money.
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Post by Det27 on Aug 24, 2004 15:11:11 GMT -5
America invented animation and the Fleischer stuff is 10 x better looking than the using the same frame with squiggly lines behind it action shots of the Japanes stuff 40 years later.
This show appears to be primarily a half hour commercial from the descriptions so far. People that are working on it might love the character, but they don't seem to be steering the ship on this one. I'm not "uptight" about it, just not in denial. BTAS, Superman TAS, JL, JLU, Spiderman, X-men, etc were created to be enjoyed by fans (DC's average reader age is 35) old and young. They sold the rights to make merchandies isnpired by it, but didn't mold the show specifically to sell chincy, plastic toys. These characters predate the 80's and the crass "story telling" to sell kids junk that falls apart after 10 minutes (I bought the Batman, Joker, Bruce, and the Batmobile from this line, and am already through becuase of how chincy they feel and are made compared to almost any other toy line out there. The story was the product when these characters were created. The 80's cartoon were horrible enough(though I liked them somewhat as a kid, they don't stick with you and that's why, except for waves of early nostalgia by 20-somethings, He-Man will fade away again). The new Yu-gi-oh's and Transfomers Armada are just sickening in the crassness with which they are intended primarily to sell toys. Gotta catch 'em all and gotta get the minicons and buy buy buy.
I buy merchandise of things I like. I'll continue to waht JLu. I thought the last epidode is weak, but it is actually BASED on the characters I like by good writers instead of molded to sell toys to hyperactive kids with ADD that follow one fad from the next and won't use anything without a joystick. I like the creators of the show and the marketing teams seperate, so the shows are intended to entertain first and formost. That's true of all the Bruce Timm cartoons. JL didn't have any tie ins for the first year and the tie ins are seperate, so Mattel can make all of the stupid Flash riding a bike they want. I have more than enough quality Batman stuff to fill up a few houses that I don't need a half hour cartoon to sell me day-glo chincy takes on the character mixed with Iron Man.
DC and Marvel have realized Spiderman and Superman can withstand the test of time without bending to fads (Clark is a straightlaced Kansas farm boy on Smallville Peter Parker is a nerdy student in the movies, neither were made "modern" with trendy fad lingo or fashions)
BTAS would have been terrible if they had used all of the stupid things Hasbro was coming up with as half of them made no sense, variants or the stupid vehicles. I like the character and the stories over buying toys.
Much of the rogues galleries' descriptions are no less faithful to the source material than the Catwoman movie. They're the basic M.O.s made "hipper" and more "modern" with the core origins and characteristics discarded. A Rhasta, kung-fu fighting Joker with an accent that wasn't dropped in chemicals by Batman and has only the green hair and insanity is no different than a Catwoman bitten by a magical cat but with a variation on the costume and the whip.
I'll wait and see, but the "fanboy" "uptight" and "anal" remarks are more personal attacks than just debating the merits of what we've seen so far and pointing out how we formed our opinion, different as they may be. So this is the last I have to say about this show until I see it. I don't wish to get into personal arguments with people. It's just a cartoon. If the character can survive the 50's scifi comics and Shumacher, he can survive whatever this show might do. Though I can't see how others have made up their mind that the show is great before seeing it either, even if the pros do outnumber the cons in their opinions. It seems to be more cheering for a company and products over any actual love for a character.
Being critical is what keeps the quality rising to the top and the dreck sinking to the bottom. OTherwise Shumacher would be doing Dicaprio Batman vs. Halle Berry Catwoman next summer. If companies out to make money can keep fans happy no matter what they do, they'll do it the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way possible. Thus a decade of Batman variants from Hasbro.
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Post by reideen1313 on Aug 24, 2004 15:38:07 GMT -5
Actually, America did not invent animation. Animation has it's start with a predecessor to the Kinetoscope, called the Praxinoscope, in 1892. It was created by a Frenchman. It predated Edison's Kinetoscope by a year. Edison took the idea and ran with it, like he was prone to do, and took all the credit. Those were the first "moving pictures." Then in 1906 James Stuart Blackton (an englishman) made the HUMOROUS PHASES OF FUNNY FACES. This film is usually considered the first known example of animation as some of the drawn sequences are shot frame by frame. Blackton used a combination of blackboard and chalk drawing and cutouts to achieve animation. The film's motif was based on the lightning or quick sketch routine from vaudeville where a drawing is done in front of an audience.
I don't want to argue either - if you feel like I have attacked you personally, I apologize. That is not my intent. As a matter of fact, I feel the same way you do on a number of points Det. The wave of nostalgia that MOTU is currently experiencing being one of them. That said, I would just like to keep an open mind and watch the show based on it's own merits, rather than a pre-concieved notion that it is going to suck because of the toy tie-ins or the anime influence on the art style. I haven't said it will be great - it will take time and an audience if it is going to measure up to the yardstick people are making BTAS out to be. Since I enjoy Matsuda's art style (both on this and Jackie Chan) I hope it finds it's groove quickly!! ;D
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Post by Det27 on Aug 24, 2004 16:23:00 GMT -5
I didn't think you were attacking, Feats.
I was a film student, but didn't recall the french stuff. But we did create the comic book and jazz as 2 of our native art forms. I think their's a few others.
I'm going to give the show a chance. I thought Dardevil would suck and I enjoyed it. But we're discussing what we see now. Have you seen that new Transformers Armada? It's cheaply made and blatantly is just pushing new toys. The animation is shoddy and the writing is insulting to even 2 year old viewes. The old one might have been tied to the toyline, but this one is sickening and makes the old one look like Citizen Kane.
I find most pop culture(movies, music, tv, Marvel comics Ultimate line) suffers from the notion of product synergy with everything becoming ads for something else they can sell you and no regard for quality. Pop musician clones are pumped out with computer enhanced voices singing the same disposable songs. The same movies are made cheaply over and over. Everyone reaches for the newest and next trend to be the flashiest and grab as much attention for their product as possible. Marvel is now just recylcling old stories with new manga art and new pop references. There's not a lot that goes for the timelessness of Superman, Batman, Spiderman, The Beatles, Elvis, the Godfather, Citizen Kane, U2, etc. Original Star Wars trilogy, etc. All of those have tons of merchandising because people have loved them for decades and therefore need no trends, fads, or marketing. They don't need to stoop to month long trends and fads.
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Post by /\/\att on Sept 10, 2004 0:55:34 GMT -5
Sorry if my post read as combative, that wasn't my intention. ;D I guess my point is alot of people have been spreading alot of information about the show who either don't work on the show or haven't seen many of the episodes. Alot of the info has been false (ie. that Batman/Bruce Wayne lives in a sewer for one). Oh, and /\/\att, do you really think JLU is terrible? I thought the kid episode was kind of fun. Each to his own I guess. that bad info about the drainage sewer actually came out of the official KidsWB press release from last February:"Living in Gotham, a metropolis where shadows run long and deep, beneath elevated train tracks and within a 150-year-old drainage system, this younger Batman will confront updated takes of familiar foes meeting each member of his classic Rogue's Gallery for the first time." Obviously we know he lives in Wayne Mansion, but you shouldn't make assumptions about sources before you know what they are
....and no, I don't like JLU. I think its a terrible excuse for a show. There are parts that are cute, but overall its just sad compared to JL.
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Post by scabs on Sept 10, 2004 1:45:15 GMT -5
that bad info about the drainage sewer actually came out of the official KidsWB press release from last February:"Living in Gotham, a metropolis where shadows run long and deep, beneath elevated train tracks and within a 150-year-old drainage system, this younger Batman will confront updated takes of familiar foes meeting each member of his classic Rogue's Gallery for the first time." Yeah, I remember when that press kit came out. I wonder sometimes if the people who make those press kits even read the scripts before writting stuff, The first storyboard was already done when they put that out, so I don't know what thier excuse was.
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Post by TheQuestion on Sept 10, 2004 16:22:32 GMT -5
I wonder how one as myself could find the newest press kit
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