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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 21, 2005 21:13:40 GMT -5
Which villain would you like to see return in season 3 and why? For me it's Bane. He's just one bada$$ villain.
Sorry, I accidentally misspelled Scarface, so just go with it.
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Post by HUSH on Jul 21, 2005 21:23:28 GMT -5
I'd say Bane, too. I'd also say Riddler, they're both awesome. The reason I picked Bane over Riddler is because by season three, I believe Riddler will have had more episodes than Bane.
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Post by JokerInc on Jul 21, 2005 22:07:46 GMT -5
Bane for sure, after the way he beat down The Batman I would LOVE to see him come back for another round
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jul 21, 2005 22:33:05 GMT -5
Riddler. "Riddled" is my favorite episode of the series so far and I've heard rave reviews of his second appearance in "Night and the City." He gives the series a great intellectual quality.
I'm not too big of a fan of Bane, but I'd be cool with seeing him again.
And here's my rant on another character on that list: Cluemaster should stay as a one-shot villain.
Do NOT get me wrong...the crew did an excellent job of altering a character and making him far more interesting than a dull Riddler rip-off.
My only complaint was how ridiculous his episode seemed to be. I think it had a great oppurtunity to be darker and get the point across better.
Less midget fighting, more implications that Arthur ate himself to obesity in response to his grief. Maybe even why Arthur's mother is so...off. Less humorous moments ("THE MAN YOU CHEATED!...Artie Brown...from the show!" "What? Little Artie?" Alfred saying "PUT ON YOU THINKING CAP!") and more serious ones (Batman's confrontation with Cluemaster on how he could've done something better with his life). Joker keeps saying that he's the opposite side of the coin from Batman, but I truly think that that title belongs to Cluemaster.
He and Batman are both highly intelligent costumed characters with dark pasts. They both had traumatic experiences and sought revenge. Arthur Brown's was a personal vendetta whereas Bruce's was more about using his revenge to prevent tragedies from ever repeating. They spent years training their minds to do this- Bruce studying science and detective work and Arthur practically studying all those encyclopedias. While Bruce Wayne made his body more fit and stronger, Arthur let his declined. In both cases, these characters' physical bodies are results of how they dealt with grief. Also notice that they both live in the houses that they grew up in and live with the people who raised them (in Arthur's case, his mother. In Batman's case, his butler).
I think these parallels should've been brought out much more. It was implied when Alfred was talking to Bruce about him never being able to play games. It was implied when Batman told Cluemaster that he could've done something else with his life.
It's an underrated episode, but it could've been one of the series's best if they downplayed the lighter moments and brought out the deeper stuff.
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Post by wayneson on Jul 22, 2005 1:37:58 GMT -5
And here's my rant on another character on that list: Cluemaster should stay as a one-shot villain. Do NOT get me wrong...the crew did an excellent job of altering a character and making him far more interesting than a dull Riddler rip-off. My only complaint was how ridiculous his episode seemed to be. I think it had a great oppurtunity to be darker and get the point across better. Joker keeps saying that he's the opposite side of the coin from Batman, but I truly think that that title belongs to Cluemaster. He and Batman are both highly intelligent costumed characters with dark pasts. They both had traumatic experiences and sought revenge. Arthur Brown's was a personal vendetta whereas Bruce's was more about using his revenge to prevent tragedies from ever repeating. They spent years training their minds to do this- Bruce studying science and detective work and Arthur practically studying all those encyclopedias. While Bruce Wayne made his body more fit and stronger, Arthur let his declined. In both cases, these characters' physical bodies are results of how they dealt with grief. Also notice that they both live in the houses that they grew up in and live with the people who raised them (in Arthur's case, his mother. In Batman's case, his butler). I think these parallels should've been brought out much more. It was implied when Alfred was talking to Bruce about him never being able to play games. It was implied when Batman told Cluemaster that he could've done something else with his life. It's an underrated episode, but it could've been one of the series's best if they downplayed the lighter moments and brought out the deeper stuff. Great post. Your very close reading of this ep supports your points quite convincingly. I didn't appreciate this episode much; I've always considered it to be one of the weakest of the series so far, but your analysis reveals the strong psychological theme beneath the goofiness. Because of his potential, this version of Cluemaster may be the most disappointing of all the new villian interpretations.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jul 22, 2005 23:07:23 GMT -5
Thank you very much (and thanks for the PM!). I caught the implication on my second or third viewing of the episode and the more I thought about it, the more I could see and understand how Matsuda and company were redoing him. I think it's a shame, though, that the episode itself was ridiculous and goofy. It could've been the "Heart of Ice" of the series by taking an otherwise lame villain, giving him a dark and interesting origin, and putting him into a nice Batman story.
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Post by azrael24 on Jul 23, 2005 11:07:41 GMT -5
asuming your talking about cluemaster, they also didnt give him a daughter, which ruined the chances of spoiler in this series
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 23, 2005 12:30:45 GMT -5
asuming your talking about cluemaster, they also didnt give him a daughter, which ruined the chances of spoiler in this series Spoiler's not really one of the popular characters, so there's no loss there. But I think it would be cool if they had AZRAEL on the show.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 26, 2005 18:51:00 GMT -5
I would love to see FireFly come back at some point, but he wasn't an option so I choose Solomon Grundy, because he was born on monday, j/k But I did vote for him because I think he is a great character, I am a horror guy and I enjoy him, and truly appreciate his presense!
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Post by /\/\att on Jul 31, 2005 0:11:33 GMT -5
while I love Riddler and Ragdoll, I had to go with Bane. I'm dying to see more of Matsuda's Bane on screen.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 3, 2005 22:40:03 GMT -5
I loved the Riddler & Scarface, but I have to say Bane. Matsuda's Bane is amazing. I love seeing him in action. Although he doesn't look like the comic counterpart, he captures the feel of the character. It might be to early but I think they need to do Knightfall. That would be spectacular.
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Post by MasterofFear on Aug 5, 2005 11:47:42 GMT -5
bane by far he is great and his adaptation in this show is the colest that ive ever seen... well not counting the thrown away scarecrow sketches
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Post by J-Man on Aug 5, 2005 14:36:46 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I'd love to see Bane return. With all the villain team-ups lately, it would make sense to see an episode where a big villain like Penguin or the Riddler hires him to take down the Batman.
It's too bad that we may not see him again because WB thinks he's "too violent."[/shadow]
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Post by JaR-V on Aug 12, 2005 18:10:07 GMT -5
gotta love that croc accent
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 13, 2005 16:12:55 GMT -5
*not sure what you were linking to, but that thread doesn't exist. Sorry.
Reideen
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