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Post by jlavaia on Oct 27, 2004 16:34:13 GMT -5
it's official, after the 4 part batgirl/robin arc, Tim's in Bludhaven to stay. I think the move should do him good and let him progress more on his own. Also where is Nightwing going to be. is he coming back to Gotham or is he staying in Bludhaven and they'll both be there?
and if you've finished war games and read Birds of Prey # 75 then you Know that the birds are leaving Gotham and putting their focus elsewhere. and in the first arc they're going after superheroes involved with murders. Nightwing's not one of them. I guess War Games kept Oracle from finding out about Blockbuster. and what happens when Batman finds out. should be great.
let me know what everyone thinks.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 27, 2004 21:49:26 GMT -5
 im really lookig forward to this story and i think robin in bludhaven will be great for the character
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Post by JotaEse on Oct 28, 2004 9:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah...some major changes. As for Nightwing, he takes care of his Tarantula problem, reminisses (Year One) and then moves on...either in Gotham or elsewhere. In next week's Detective it is hinted to be in Gotham.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 28, 2004 13:39:38 GMT -5
yeah id like nightwing in gotham full time,it could give some of bats rogues gallery more development as some of them tangle with Nightwing COOL
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Post by HUSH on Oct 28, 2004 18:21:57 GMT -5
I'm glad that some of the "bat-family" is moving elsewhere. I wouldn't mind if it was just Batman and Nightwing for a while, or just Batman.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 28, 2004 19:07:58 GMT -5
yeah it was getting crowded
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Post by pm on Oct 29, 2004 9:15:53 GMT -5
hi guys!
thinking about it, ... there's not much batman/robin going on recently ... batman & nightwing's always cool, but tim's also a good character too.
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Post by jlavaia on Oct 29, 2004 15:59:44 GMT -5
it also should be good to see him get used to the city. Bludhaven's not Gotham and it should be interesting to see how he fares starting off.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 29, 2004 19:54:36 GMT -5
yes that will be good to see him squaring off against batmans rogue gallery again and getting used to villians as wellas the city that he may not have faced for a while,as we know many have become 4 times as dangerous(riddler penguin etc)since dick was last a regular resident of gotham
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Post by jasontodd2 on Oct 30, 2004 13:04:37 GMT -5
Is Block-Buster really dead? I doubt it, the villian always finds away to come back. Look at the Joker how many times have we thought this is it, he is not coming back from this one.
I would like to see Nightwing team up more with Batman, for more than just one or two issues, and not with these dumb crossover issues either. War Games was such a let down and they always treat Nightwing like a second tier type hero, with no major tie ins. No Respect, they had him shot in the leg, c'mon........MORE NIGHTWING!
So does that mean Oracle is moving out of Gotham? That is good news too me, I can't stand her character, I wish Black Mask would have done her in rather than Stephanie!
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Post by jlavaia on Oct 30, 2004 15:22:58 GMT -5
reideen1313 posted this on the ID Crisis board< "Apparently, earlier today, Wizard posted the lists for their annual "fan awards" on their site. On the list for "Best Villain" well, see for yourself.
FAVORITE VILLAIN
The Calculator (Identity Crisis)
Darkseid (Superman/Batman)
Deathstroke (Identity Crisis)
Dr. Light (Identity Crisis)
Electro (New Avengers, Spider-Man)
The Gorgon (Wolverine)
Dick Grayson (Identity Crisis)
Loki (Loki, Thor)
Major Force (Green Lantern)
Ord (Astonishing X-Men)
Serial Killer (H-E-R-O)
Titans of Tomorrow (Teen Titans)
His name has since been removed from the list. Thoughts?"
now this can be a ploy like the Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing # 4 cover with Phoenix on it, or it be that someone screwed up. after issue # 100 is a 6-part year one story, robin is moving to Bludhaven with Batgirl initially going with him, he's no longer the leader of the Outsiders, there's his part in Blockbuster's death, he fought Arsenal, and he still feels he can't escape Batman's shadow. that was originally why he moved to Bludhaven, but whenever something serious goes down in Gotham, Batman calls him. maybe he finally got tired of it all. I mean if Marvel can turn Scarlet Witch into the ultimate villain, why not Nightwing. i hope not though, unless they truly do it right, b/c Nightwing is such a great character.
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Post by Flamebird on Oct 31, 2004 6:37:48 GMT -5
Nightwign of a villan - wow - that woudl be intresting he is one of my fav characters. Maybe its just a ploy or accident. this could turbn out to be really intresting
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Post by JotaEse on Nov 1, 2004 12:41:44 GMT -5
Yes, Oracle is now Mobile with the other birds (Huntress, Canary, Lady Blackhawk) moving around and being...well....The Outsiders, basically (a proactive instead of reactive group).
It was a joke by Wizard....Deathwing...maybe. Not Nightwing. DC's announced that following Year One Devin is back on Nightwing, so that means it's continuing...
I'll spoil the ending of IC now....there will be a twist ending with at least 2 people involved. 50% of the people will complain that they hate it and the other 50% will say it is awesome. Also, 25% of the people on the 'net posting about this story will claim they posted the EXACT final ending, but it was mysteriously deleted.
That's the end of IC.
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 1, 2004 17:30:46 GMT -5
well it will definetely involve luthor's battlesuit, b/c the preview for titans # 20 says that it's a loose end left from crisis and that the titans have been asked to recover it. so i'm imagining thats how the killer got in and out of the victims houses, i guess it's been upgraded to somehow teleport or phase.
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Post by atomjack on Nov 2, 2004 17:14:03 GMT -5
I don't think it's right that Robin is going to Bludhaven. The whole reason Tim Drake got to put on the costume was because he convinced Batman that Batman always needs a Robin. If anything, Batman and Robin should patrol together 90% of the time. I believe that Nightwing as a character is much more an individual then before he left for Bludhaven. I think his team-ups with Batman should be kept to a bare minimum because now Nightwing doesn't follow orders, he's got his own mind and his own ideas to follow through. A team-up would be too conflicting and unnecessary. If Nightwing turns evil, I will set the DC building on fire. Don't take my thtapler. |
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Post by reideen1313 on Nov 2, 2004 18:16:30 GMT -5
If Nightwing turns evil, I will set the DC building on fire. Don't take my thtapler. First of all, welcome to the board! As far as Nightwing going bad, I've been hearing more and more rumors about this over the past week or so, including a pretty well thought out theory (which was said to be more than just a theory  ). I'll try to find it and post it later tonight. |
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 2, 2004 19:49:26 GMT -5
nightwing going bad??holy ill conceived shock tactics batman!!
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Post by reideen1313 on Nov 3, 2004 9:47:41 GMT -5
Nightwing theories - these have been posted on other message boards and, since I don't know who is who on other message boards that might be lurking or actively posting here on LOG, if one of these theories is yours, PM me and I'll give credit where credit is due. You just have to tell me the screen name it was posted under on the message board I got it from. K?
Onto the theories! These may contain spoilers for IDC - if you don't want to know, don't read them.
#1 IN 1991, two months after the solicitation of Armageddon 2001 issue 2, there were solicitations for 'Captain Atom' and 'Hawk & Dove' just to not give away events in that issue, not yet sold.
"Have you noticed that in the January solicitations of DC, just after the end of 'Identity Crisis,' there is not mention of Nightwing in 'Outsiders' (maybe he is not the central character in that months issue), his own magazine tells a retro story and both Robin and Batgirl are the new residents of the former home of Nightwing Bludhaven??
#2 (part 1) I was just told by someone who SHOULD be quite reliable, and they told me who the killer is, and boy oh boy if they're right are people gonna go nuts.
According to my source, the killer is Dick Grayson.
Again, I'm not saying this is true, all I'm saying is that someone who should know what they're talking about told me, and it didn't seem like they were lying. Here's how it breaks down.
-Some mystic kidnapped Dick when he was still Robin and pulled a Power Pact style lobodomy on him. The magic guy put some suggestions or something in his head that would eventually drive him crazy, only needing a trigger to set off his insanity.
-The guy that did this to Dick has been dead for years apparently.
-Dick teleported into the Dibny home using the JLA teleporter that apparenly was in the apt. the whole time, it was just ignored because the only person who could have used it at that time was Dick Grayson and everyone, Ralph and Batman included, ignored it.
-He used some ninja punch that he learned from Batman to kill Sue, and then used Firefly's gun to burn her. He got the gun from the Batcave where it was being kept as a trophy.
-He attacked Jean by shrinking and sitting on her shoulder at sub-atomic size as she walked in the door, when she came in, he jumped off her shoulder and over the door growing to full size behind it. He shrunk using an Atom belt that Batman apparently had in the cave(to which I said, since when?).
-He sent Lois the note as a misdirection.
-He sent Jack Drake the gun and the note, the gun was Two Face's, another thing he got from the cave. Boomerang somehow came across the fact that Jack Drake was the next victim and was going to kill the killer and become a hero to not only his son but the world, don't ask me how he came across this info, you have to remember this was told to me during a one on one conversation and I honestly couldn't remember everything I was told, anyway Boomerang was there to kill Grayson, but Dick was one step ahead and gave Drake the gun, hoping they'd kill each other.
-Owen is the son of Digger and Iris Allen(just like I said might I add, though if this is all true, that was pretty much the only thing I got right) Digger raped Iris and was mindwiped, Owen is the new Captain Boomerang.
-The last people to be attacked are gonna be Perry White and Linda West. Dick's gonna be at Perry's place waiting for him in the Luthor Armor and a lead mask, he's gonna fight with Superman who gets there just in time to save Perry. Dick gets away and goes after Linda.
-Batman figures everything out and confronts Dick in the cave, Dick BEATS THE STUFFING OUT OF HIM(!!!) and heads off with Mr. Freeze's gun to kill Linda.
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Post by reideen1313 on Nov 3, 2004 9:53:54 GMT -5
SPOILER'S AHEAD! (and I don't mean the dead ex-Batman sidekick!)
Theory #2 (continued) -Ralph, who also figured it out, is at Linda's place waiting for Dick, along with Oliver, Dinah, Wally, Zatanna, and Clark. Dick goes deathstroke style on them, shooting Supes with a Kryptonite bullet, doing something to Zatanna that I can't remember, punching Wally where he got stabbed and then does something to Ollie and Dinah.
-Ralph, knowing that Dick's probably got some kind of plan to take him out, brought a secret weapon, Tim Drake.
-Ralph figures that having to fight Tim will snap him out of whatever trance he's under(Ralph figures out that it's a trance, Batman knew it was Dick but not why). Tim and Dick fight hand to hand, Dick gets the upper hand and Ralph knocks him out.
-Zatanna returns Dick to normal, most of the heroes forgive him when they see Ralph do so. The heroes blame the deaths on Captain Boomerang, which pisses off Owen who somehow knows the truth, and the heroes are all left with a bad taste in their mouths because they know who did it, but really don't have anyone to blame since Dick is cleared of everything and the mystic guy is dead.
-The trial in manhunter has something to do with Jean Loring, but I forgot what the guy said and no, Jean didn't do it.
Just a correction,
I said that the gun that was given to Jack Drake was Two-Face's, that's not true. It was the gun that was used when Dick was shot and Bruce made him stop being Robin. I think that it was the Joker that shot him and not Two-Face.
But at any rate, it was the gun that Dick was shot with.
Ok, about Bolt. Bolt isn't Bolt, he's someone who just thinks he's bolt but I forget exactly who he is. Dick set up the buy because he wanted the armor to fight Superman or other big guns with if he had to.
He used some process to make this guy think he was Bolt and told him that if he could get the armor he'd pay him double for it or something like that.
All of that is gonna come out when someone goes to the hospital where Bolt is staying and realizes that it's not him.
And Chronos(who I thought would be the killer) is a fake too, he's just some guy that THINKS he's Chronos because his mind's been messed with.
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 3, 2004 18:25:17 GMT -5
in detective # 800, we find out that robin and batgirl both will be moving to bludhaven, and the only thing it mentions on nightwing is that he's recovering from the gunshot wound, so batman is alone in gotham. also Penguin has apparently moved to bludhaven for the time being as well.
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Post by atomjack on Nov 3, 2004 18:25:38 GMT -5
I... can't...
What is.... why is...
I don't think I like this development.
Jeez, the possibilities for this strange "Mystic Lobotomizer."
Anyone could be anyone. This isn't suspensful, it's just ludicrous.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 3, 2004 23:39:55 GMT -5
whoa that is heavy i think i would like that,but the lobotomizer would have to be revealed at some point
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Post by JotaEse on Nov 4, 2004 10:32:40 GMT -5
Yeah...I still don't buy it!
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Post by reideen1313 on Nov 4, 2004 11:18:22 GMT -5
Yeah...I still don't buy it! I don't know that I do either - I just think it's an interesting theory. Really, DC could pull this off, without too much backlash from anyone but the current comic readers. Mr. Grayson is no longer "Robin" so they wouldn't really be hurting the Batman franchise. It would be like killing off Krypto in the Superman comics. People would say "Hey - they shouldn't do that. I remember him - he's super dog, right?" Then they would go back to their normal lives. Obviously, since I'm here, I think Nightwing is a much more important character than Krypto, but I'm trying to look at it from another perspective. It could happen, with no repercussions from the public at large. It would certainly get people to buy IDC and a bunch of Nightwing stuff. Sure, fans would be mad, but just like with anything else, they would come back eventually. |
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Post by Flamebird on Nov 4, 2004 14:36:52 GMT -5
i can see why they would do it, but i think Nightwing is a great charcater and it would be a shame, well i hope it is pulled off right if it is true
on anothe rnote - 200 posts yay
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 4, 2004 15:46:12 GMT -5
good point reideen
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 4, 2004 17:21:52 GMT -5
i can see it happening, and i can definetely see the part about capt. boomerang raping iris allen and being mind wiped. but i dont know about something being done to him when he was robin and by a villain now dead. if it is dick grayson, i think he's on his own or being used or manipulated by someone. brainiac could do it him. but i doubt that. if it is him i only hope they do it right. because if you think about it nightwing could still have his own title and fans would eventually come around to it. i love nightwing, but if he was made into a crap villain or killed off, that couldnt do. basically he would become batman's most formidable foe. basically a mix of hush and batman. it'll be interesting to see what unfolds.
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Post by Violator on Nov 5, 2004 18:52:01 GMT -5
Interesting theory. I think I could deal with that being true, but only because he is un-brainwashed later. I dont want Dick to just become a villain. If this theory were true it actually shows Dick cappable of being a Brillant stratigest and makes his character even more interesting. I mean, we are used to Bruce being able to take out everyone. Its cool that his former sidekick didnt fall that far from the tree. They could also work Dick's despair for his crimes into future stories, not to mention Bruce, because you know the thought of his longtime friend and partner killing others will mess with his head.
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). I'll try to find it and post it later tonight. 