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Post by JotaEse on Dec 28, 2004 17:21:54 GMT -5
Ok...I only listed ones with Leadership experience, leaving out Canary, Batgirl, Catwoman, and Huntress.
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Post by HUSH on Dec 28, 2004 18:07:08 GMT -5
Dick Grayson, because he did so well leading the Teen Titans for so long. Not Batman; he is a loner. Not Tim, although he would be a pretty good leader. Jim and Barbara are good leaders, too, but Dick is best at that, IMO.  |
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 28, 2004 22:38:35 GMT -5
Agreed...as leader of the Titans, Outsiders, and JLA...
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Post by re on Dec 29, 2004 13:37:03 GMT -5
I said Bruce Wayne. |
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Post by Darthm on Dec 29, 2004 19:00:17 GMT -5
I said Bruce Wayne. Me too. |
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Post by Batlaw on Dec 29, 2004 20:21:04 GMT -5
Gotta go with m'man Grayson. Bats is not nec. a "team player" (by his own admission) and hes more a from the shadows, "power behind the thrown" leader. But Grayson is capable of "relating" to those under him and just understands the team dynamic. Bats is my way or the highway kinda guy
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Post by JokersGalPal on Dec 29, 2004 23:26:50 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]Not sure who to vote for...but I'll tell yah Batman isn't one of 'em...
the guys a loner period.
Sure he has a little army of sidekicks, but in the end...you know he's looking out for his own.
Atleast...thats how I see Batman.[/shadow]
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Post by Arsenal on Dec 29, 2004 23:47:09 GMT -5
Dick's a better leader because he has more heart and actually gets to understand and know his teammates. They trust him and vice versa. Batman just uses his teammates to get the job done.
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Post by zorro on Dec 31, 2004 10:19:08 GMT -5
If you would leave Jim Gordon alone, and let him do his magic he can do things to astound. In year one, he stopped himself from corruption by telling his wife about the affair, and still worked on the force to weed out the troublemakers. In the modern era, he seems not intimidated by Batman, even to stop him from killing the Joker in issue 614. While Batman has ego, Gordon know what's good for the force, and he never let's his feelings get in the way of it.  |
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Post by Arkham16 on Dec 31, 2004 21:45:53 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Now granted Bats a loner. IMO, Yes Grayson is a great leader who knows and cares about his teammates but Bats always has a plan. He is a brilliant strategic mind that has countless number of scenarios planned out in case of any situation. He knows what forms a perfect team against a threat and knows what each person's potential is (even if they do not). Grayson has heart in battle, but Bats has brain. [/glow]
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Post by Batboy on Dec 31, 2004 22:47:28 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]Not sure who to vote for...but I'll tell yah Batman isn't one of 'em...
the guys a loner period.
Sure he has a little army of sidekicks, but in the end...you know he's looking out for his own.
Atleast...thats how I see Batman.[/shadow] So by protecting Gotham he is looking out for himself?  I gotta go with Bruce. He will be able to figure out what is going on, come up with a solution and solve it without taking anything from anyone in the mean time. |
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Post by HUSH on Dec 31, 2004 23:24:15 GMT -5
So by protecting Gotham he is looking out for himself? I gotta go with Bruce. He will be able to figure out what is going on, come up with a solution and solve it without taking anything from anyone in the mean time. But to be a leader, one has to be able to communicate with people in a team, and batman certainly doesn't do that.  |
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 1, 2005 0:03:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Now granted Bats a loner. IMO, Yes Grayson is a great leader who knows and cares about his teammates but Bats always has a plan. He is a brilliant strategic mind that has countless number of scenarios planned out in case of any situation. He knows what forms a perfect team against a threat and knows what each person's potential is (even if they do not). Grayson has heart in battle, but Bats has brain. [/glow] This and the last few posts have some excellent points. Although I believe there are many many facets and traits Nec. for one to be an ecceptional "leader". All the atributes and "powers" possesed by Bats while considerable, numerous, and would undoubtedly lead any team to victory on a regular basis, are not all that matters IMHO. Batman "commands". He doesnt Nec. "lead". In order to lead a team, you must actually be a PART of that team. Batman simply isnt approachable. Nor is he interested in any individual or componant. Only the "whole" and the "ends". At the end of the day, I dont see Bats caring about team members. Only their results. Its like the old question, "is it better to be loved, or feared?". |
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Post by Arsenal on Jan 1, 2005 0:37:49 GMT -5
So by protecting Gotham he is looking out for himself? I gotta go with Bruce. He will be able to figure out what is going on, come up with a solution and solve it without taking anything from anyone in the mean time. Interesting wording. "without taking anything from anyone in the mean time." So then who's he leading? Bruce isn't so much a leader as a do-er. That's what Batman's all about: doing. Being proactive. Whereas Superman's more about restraint. Bruce absolutely fails to communicate anything to Gotham other than FEAR. We all know that's not good leadership. To be a good leader, you have to have faith in people. When you come right down to it, Bruce only has faith in Batman. This was a point in DKR as well as the very last scene of Hush, not to mention the entire Tower of Babel plotline. It's his ultimate character flaw. Dick, on the other hand, understand's the Superman "restraint" angle. He gets that you must have a certain amount of faith in people to get by in life, particularly to be a leader. Nevertheless, he's a great strategist and knows how to think on his feet (or in midair). Plus, when you trust people, they help you lead. That's what Dick and the Titans was all about. |
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Post by Batboy on Jan 1, 2005 2:56:12 GMT -5
Well you guys look at this from the "who would I like to be lead by" point of view. Bruce gets things done his way, and if that means being strict and antisocial then so be it. Dick on the other hand may be friendlier and that is just his personality but if he is able to get the job done then he is no better or worse then Bruce. They both were able to lead their companions to reach their goal. So I guess if you like a more sociable leader then you would lean towards Dick, but I went with Bruce because I think he has more experience and with more experience comes more skills, knowledge etc.
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Post by JotaEse on Jan 1, 2005 11:32:34 GMT -5
I like the "Batman is a commander, not a leader" sentiment. NIghtwing is a leader...I spent 8 years in college studying Leadership, and Nightwing leads...Batman commands. Look at War Games...Batman commanded people around, they followed because they had no choice, much like many in the military. A Leader people WANT to follow and they place their life or life's direction in their hands because they want to and believe it is the best way...even on the small scale of college student organization leadership...
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Post by JokersGalPal on Jan 1, 2005 19:04:34 GMT -5
So by protecting Gotham he is looking out for himself?
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Post by darkknight0970 on Jan 6, 2005 1:10:57 GMT -5
Definitely Nightwing...he's almost Batman's equal but is (like a lot have posted) a team player! But still Batman still rocks!
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Post by JotaEse on Jan 7, 2005 12:03:53 GMT -5
Even Batman has said that he feels Nightwing is the best leader in the DCU. Let me set the scene:
A major War has just happened a couple of months prior, where some heroes die (Wonder Woman's mom, etc) others are mortally wounded (Guy Gardner, etc.) and some just dissapear from out of their armor (Aquaman). The JLA realizes something funny is up with Atlantis, and try to figure it out, but in the process THEY dissapear also. The JLA has been gone for over a month and there are worldwide problems. All of the news stations and world leaders are asking the same thing: Where's the Justice League??
Batman, having stolen Mr. Terrific's T-Sphere concept, has them programmed to go out after 1 month of JLA inactivity. They pick up a newbie (Faith), a former villian (Major Disaster), and some heroes-Firestorm, Atom, Green Arrow, Hawkgirl, etc. They are all gathered in the Watch Tower, and Batman gives them a very emotional speech about responsibility and how they need to set personal problems and egos aside-the JLA are needed...and they ARE the JLA.
He follows it up with: "If you don't like it, I DON'T CARE! Take it up with your new leader, Nightwing. He IS the best. He's the only one I could have chosen to lead you. He will make you a team."
See...even Bats says it...and really...the world has went to Hell, and Bats STILL puts his trust in Dick...that is a serious vote of confidence. And I know the JLA was gone...but Bats knows even he isn't a leader as much as his protoge, who he is proud of.
For anyone wanting to pick this up, do so. This issue was emotional, and the story (collected into two trades) is a good story-not great like a top 10, but really good. JLA: The Obsidian Age.
Nightwing...easy choice.
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