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Post by Mr. Terrific on Sept 3, 2005 15:33:20 GMT -5
I haven't gotten it yet but in unison with AS #1, I got first dibs on reviewing AS #2.  |
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 3, 2005 22:00:02 GMT -5
>:(Hmm, you beat me to it Griffin. I started the first AS thread, you start the second. Touche.  |
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Post by Mr. Terrific on Sept 5, 2005 20:50:27 GMT -5
Indeed.
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 11, 2005 17:45:25 GMT -5
IT'S OUT THIS WEEK! I CAN'T WAIT FOR IT!
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Post by Arkham16 on Sept 14, 2005 20:32:31 GMT -5
Without going into detail or review, i'll say this...i was dissapointed.
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Post by Dr. Baghead on Sept 15, 2005 0:47:59 GMT -5
once again Frank Miller has put the "Bat Man" in "Bruce Wayne sure is one Bat fluffy Crazy SOB, man"
I mean seriously... wtf
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Post by Batrez on Sept 15, 2005 1:56:52 GMT -5
same here...millar is making batman into a bi polar freak...seriously millar wasnt the right choice for allstar. Is it me , or has the batmobile changed after one issue? I mean I love it and it kicked butt...but what happened to the battering ram shield? And what happened to alfred and vicki vale???
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Post by Arkham16 on Sept 15, 2005 16:45:49 GMT -5
same here...millar is making batman into a bi polar freak...seriously millar wasnt the right choice for allstar. Is it me , or has the batmobile changed after one issue? I mean I love it and it kicked butt...but what happened to the battering ram shield? And what happened to alfred and vicki vale??? Hero to you! |
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Post by vishman007 on Sept 15, 2005 17:59:04 GMT -5
I think I liked this issue better than the first one.
I had posted that i would give issue 1 an A-/B+, but after much thought, i realized that i gave that grade because of the last 2 pages, not the whole issue. This issue had a lot more meat to it.
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Post by Batdan on Sept 16, 2005 19:23:12 GMT -5
I don't think the series is working so far.
I understand this is supposed to be a "fresh" take on the Batman saga but:
-- Batman, in my opinion, is obsessive-compulsive but not schizophrenic. Nor is he abusive. Raising a hand to a child, particularly a grieving one, would be abhorrent to him.
-- Even if Bruce were trying to appear tough -- a strategy he'd pretty much perfected by this point in his career -- he wouldn't need to sound so coarse. His dialogue is off-note.
-- I actually think Lee's art doesn't fit the tenor of the storytelling. It's too clean and too colorful. I'm not sure this pairing is working.
-- Dick's buy-in feels artificial and forced, especially when you consider he's been kidnapped, hit and hollered at. I've heard of the Stockholm syndrome -- but in one five-minute car ride?
-- I don't want to be too quick to judge but it's possible that Frank Miller said everything he could say about Batman in DKR and Year One. DK2 was such dreck that I'm becoming less optimistic about the prospects of this run.
-- The only part I kind of got a kick out of was the hint that Vicki and Alfred might hook up instead of Vicki and Bruce.
-- I think I'm going to give up buying this by the issue before I feel compelled to finish the story. Getting it every six to eight weeks doesn't help matters, either. A year from now, the inevitable TPB will probably be out and I'll take a look at this story as a whole and consider whether it's worth reading.
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Post by Batrez on Sept 16, 2005 23:02:23 GMT -5
did u also notice that batman had whiskers already growing and in issue number one he was clean shaven....and did batman hurt alfred and miss vale???
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Post by reideen1313 on Sept 16, 2005 23:04:54 GMT -5
I can see where you're coming from. I re-evaluated my buying when gas hit $3.00 per gallon. This was one of the first titles on the chopping block. I think I'm down to about 6 titles per month now.  I can wait for the trades on the rest! |
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Post by Batdan on Sept 17, 2005 11:23:50 GMT -5
Reideen, love the video! Cracked me up.
Yeah, DC has really disappointed me so far this year with Dark Detective and All-Star. I was very much looking forward to both.
Anyway, I went about a decade without being a regular buyer of comics. In the last year I've discovered TPBs and it really is the way to go if you're not a big continuity nut -- but that might be worth another thread elsewhere. I don't wanna go off point here.
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Post by Dr. Baghead on Sept 18, 2005 12:38:38 GMT -5
millar is making batman into a bi polar freak...seriously millar wasnt the right choice for allstar. Just to nitpick, but Mill er is the name of All-Star Batman and Robin. Mill ar is a different writer (who wrote Red Son) after rereading the book, I wonder... do you think when he was given the job they told Frank "It's sorta like 'Ultimate Batman and Robin'" because it seems like Frank is reinventing the wheel (Gotham being as bad as Sin City, Batman being a crazy murderer before meeting Robin, etc.) like an Ultimate book does rather then using the 'classic elements' of Batman to tell a story. Is it me , or has the batmobile changed after one issue? I mean I love it and it kicked butt...but what happened to the battering ram shield? And what happened to alfred and vicki vale??? galring continuity errors are fun! That book was full of 'em (remember that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry kept shaving and his beard and chest hair just grew back faster every time? I bet that's what happening to Batman! so see his wiskers are totally logical even though Bruce was clean shaven!!). I bet Book 3 starts with Batman and Robin in the Batboat continuing their conversation from boook 2 and Alfred and Vikki are off skiing! |
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Post by Batrez on Sept 18, 2005 13:33:34 GMT -5
I hear yea dr. Baghead, butttttttt....if this a differant spin of batman, then why not change the orgin abit more, change the batman custume, explain why batman is acting like a psychopath...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2005 22:08:26 GMT -5
I think it stinks! I won't pick up any more All Star Batman comics. Frank Millar has lost his mind. I still want my money back for The Dark Knight Strikes Again. This could have been a great series, but I refuse to spend money on a book that portrays the Bat like that.
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Post by Dr. Baghead on Sept 20, 2005 2:51:18 GMT -5
if this a differant spin of batman, then why not change the orgin abit more, change the batman custume, explain why batman is acting like a psychopath... Well techincally the costume is different, he's wearing (or at least was in book 1, probably changed dramatically in book 2 like everything else) a DKR stylized Batsuit with 'fear gas' ejectors in the gloves... if this really is supposed to be "Classic Batman" he should be wearing the old Blue/Grey big yellow oval costume. it is only book two, for all we know the origin *could* be changed to something crazy like Graysons where shot for being Drug Lords or something and mooching in on Riddler's territory and once Bats claims the hell down and stops blowing up cops and smacking children he'll explain his actions to Robin. Doesn't make the book *better* or heck even *less awful*, just seems to me it makes more sense looking at it as "What If Batman and Robin Were Created By a Bat S**t Crazy Frank Miller" rather then trying to figure out how the hell Frank Miller thought Batman driving around murdering cops embodied the 'classic elements' of the series. |
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Post by RevMarc on Sept 21, 2005 10:56:29 GMT -5
Intrigued by issue #1, not so crazy about issue #2.
I was a little concerned about the end of #1 when it looked like the cops (crooked as they were) were annihilated by the Batmobile. Great image, but Batman would never be so reckless with human life.
It was like reading "Batman/Spawn" that Miller and McFarlane did, with the little box that said "This story is in the continuity of The Dark Knight Returns, not regular continuity" or what ever it said.
This "Batman" seems more like a nutjob in a costume than the Dark Knight. Laughing gleefully while running over crooked motorcycle cops? Blowing several people to kingdom come by lighting up the afterburners on the Batmobile/plane? Come on... And, as someone else pointed out, what happened to Vicki and Alfred?
I'll give it a couple more issues, but it's going downhill fast. This is not the core of Batman, that's for sure. This guy is no better than the criminals he's fighting, and the Batman we know would hunt this guy down. Just look at his view of Leslie Thompkins, one of the closest people in his life, after what she did to Stephanie.
Batman does not kill. Period. Take that away, and you take away the real core of the character.
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Post by Darkwil on Sept 22, 2005 9:43:16 GMT -5
Issue #1 for me was great and it seemed that it was going the right way even if they changed the death of robin's parents. However, issue #2 didn't feel like a continuation of issue #1. Batman was suddenly like a villain. My take on this is that they want to show why batman needs a robin but it went overboard with the cop killing frenzy and the continuous blah blah blah about fighting crime and doing the mission his way, the dark way. Yes, he could've been brutal during the early years but certainly not up to the point of killing happily and boasting about it to a kid. Issue #1 felt like an all star book but issue #2 felt like an elseworld story, "Batman: the cop killing vigilante"
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 23, 2005 11:14:01 GMT -5
Unless issue #3 opens with (A) an apology. or (B) Dick waking up to realize everything has been either a dream, a total drug induced halucination, or at least having been just seriously "warped childhood perspective"... Frank Miller is dead to me.
Seriously, does the guy need to try THIS hard!?
I'm curious how much he would enjoy being hit over the head with a shovel as hard and as often as he finds it Nec. to hit his readers!?
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Post by HUSH on Sept 24, 2005 17:36:04 GMT -5
Okay, I got it, and don't shoot me, but I liked it. Everything out of character that Batman was doing was to scare Dick so he wouldn't have time to grieve. Batman explained that in his thoughts in the comic. What he said made sense to me. The laughter was, I think, to scare Dick, also. He was obsessed with fighting crime and ridding his city of it. I don't think that's out of character. Miller's Batman has always been more violent than other interpretations of the character, and I rather like that. Also, he didn't really hurt Dick; he wapped him once, but Batman has NO experience in ever dealing with a kid, especially not one in Dick's situation, and he is a violent person by nature. Not that I EVER condone hitting kids, but he was in his Batman persona, and he had to do something to keep Dick thinking of him only as a nightmarish figure. He was being pretty nice to him(as nice as Batman can be to a kid) by the end, also. I thought it was very well-written, the only weird thing was how Batman *seemed* to kill those cops, but I didn't really see any dead bodies, so I'm not sure he killed them, maybe he at least didn't mean to. And I'll forgive that weirdness, because I like the story. I don't claim that this comic has nothing wrong with it, there were some problems, like Batman seemingly putting Alfred and Vicki in peril, but overall, I really like it. Forgive me if my reasoning seems erratic and unorganized.  |
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Post by vishman007 on Sept 24, 2005 23:49:56 GMT -5
Okay, I got it, and don't shoot me, but I liked it. Everything out of character that Batman was doing was to scare Dick so he wouldn't have time to grieve. Batman explained that in his thoughts in the comic. What he said made sense to me. The laughter was, I think, to scare Dick, also. He was obsessed with fighting crime and ridding his city of it. I don't think that's out of character. Miller's Batman has always been more violent than other interpretations of the character, and I rather like that. Also, he didn't really hurt Dick; he wapped him once, but Batman has NO experience in ever dealing with a kid, especially not one in Dick's situation, and he is a violent person by nature. Not that I EVER condone hitting kids, but he was in his Batman persona, and he had to do something to keep Dick thinking of him only as a nightmarish figure. He was being pretty nice to him(as nice as Batman can be to a kid) by the end, also. I thought it was very well-written, the only weird thing was how Batman *seemed* to kill those cops, but I didn't really see any dead bodies, so I'm not sure he killed them, maybe he at least didn't mean to. And I'll forgive that weirdness, because I like the story. I don't claim that this comic has nothing wrong with it, there were some problems, like Batman seemingly putting Alfred and Vicki in peril, but overall, I really like it. Forgive me if my reasoning seems erratic and unorganized. finally someone else who liked this! I had the same thoughts on batman's behavior. And no cops were actually shown dead. I also like how this took longer to read than 3 minutes, unlike book one. Hush I hero you. |
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Post by HUSH on Sept 25, 2005 4:52:54 GMT -5
finally someone else who liked this! I had the same thoughts on batman's behavior. And no cops were actually shown dead. I also like how this took longer to read than 3 minutes, unlike book one. Hush I hero you. Oh, thanks! I hero you back. I was actually expecting some cries to have me burned at the stake for liking this...(joke)...so this is a welcome surprise! |
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 25, 2005 22:23:46 GMT -5
Okay, I got it, and don't shoot me, but I liked it. Everything out of character that Batman was doing was to scare Dick so he wouldn't have time to grieve. Batman explained that in his thoughts in the comic. What he said made sense to me. The laughter was, I think, to scare Dick, also. He was obsessed with fighting crime and ridding his city of it. I don't think that's out of character. Miller's Batman has always been more violent than other interpretations of the character, and I rather like that. Also, he didn't really hurt Dick; he wapped him once, but Batman has NO experience in ever dealing with a kid, especially not one in Dick's situation, and he is a violent person by nature. Not that I EVER condone hitting kids, but he was in his Batman persona, and he had to do something to keep Dick thinking of him only as a nightmarish figure. He was being pretty nice to him(as nice as Batman can be to a kid) by the end, also. I thought it was very well-written, the only weird thing was how Batman *seemed* to kill those cops, but I didn't really see any dead bodies, so I'm not sure he killed them, maybe he at least didn't mean to. And I'll forgive that weirdness, because I like the story. I don't claim that this comic has nothing wrong with it, there were some problems, like Batman seemingly putting Alfred and Vicki in peril, but overall, I really like it. Forgive me if my reasoning seems erratic and unorganized. I haven't got it yet, but with what the others are saying and how your explaining it Hush, I understand now. Besides, it's DC's answer to Marvel's Ultimate line, I knew it would be different. I mean, look at Ultimate Carnage. |
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Post by andyh40 on Sept 27, 2005 13:23:27 GMT -5
I bought issue #1, and thought it was...okay. I haven't picked up #2 yet, and from everything that I'm hearing about it, I'm not going to. If this is DC's (Frank Miller's) All-Star take on Batman with 'classic' elements, they can incinerate the entire run, for all I care. I see nothing 'classic' in any of this! Miller has created 'classics' in the past with Batman and Sin City, but this is just another throwaway story that will ONLY be remembered for its harsh storyline! I am so glad that those of us who think along the same lines have over 50 years of the true 'classic' Batman to fall back on.  |
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Post by All Star Batman on Oct 1, 2005 16:23:01 GMT -5
Just got it today, and I liked it! I don't care what some of you guys say, I agree with HUSH. And to some complaints, here are some logical explantions: -The Bat-erring ram must come up from the hood of the Batmobile. -Alfred and Vicki were hurt because part of the police car Batman hit flew at them. -And of course, BATMAN IS JUST TRYING TO SCARE DICK! He has to scare him so he doesn't start grieving. We don't know if any cops were killed and I don't care. -Batman was trying to toughen Dick up when he hit him. And it worked. This Batman is a Darker Knight than the one we know and I applaud Frank Miller for it. Plus I like how he put a Clint Eastwood reference to Batman, since most of us would like to see Clint Eastwood play Batman if they ever make a DKR movie. 3.5 out of 5  |
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I can wait for the trades on the rest! 
