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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 25, 2007 21:12:20 GMT -5
DC has released what appears to be a teaser image with no information attached other than the subject line of an e-mail: "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction..." Which obviously accounts for the weepy Superman, but not really someone wearing the Red Robin costume from Kingdom Come, or the dashing, pantsuit Batman (from an Elseworlds, perhaps, or freshly back from a relaxing desert trip where he found himself?) Oh - and bodies, bodies, bodies...Max Lord, Beetle, Jade, and The Question...?  Any guesses? |
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 25, 2007 22:07:48 GMT -5
p'rapse it's a new Elsworlds book. I find it unlikely seeing as Elseworlds was discontinued. Or possibly the cover for a Collected Edition.
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Post by IamI on Jan 26, 2007 6:47:34 GMT -5
Maybe its the beginning of Planets of the Apes. Did you notice the Statue of Liberty?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 26, 2007 19:11:33 GMT -5
I think it may be another alternate future story. Judging by Batman's clothes, I get the feeling it's not Bruce but...
Damian?
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Post by HUSH on Jan 29, 2007 3:40:21 GMT -5
Interesting...this could be DC's "next big event" after 52...if it is future-related, perhaps it involves a future timeline. I agree that the Batman here could be Damian, what with the crazy robes-and-sword look, and perhaps this is another reason he was created, to play a part in a future event. He could have come back in time with Red Robin for whatever reason...I'll be very intrigued to find out what this is about.  |
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 29, 2007 17:18:53 GMT -5
The Damien as Batman thing is kinda odd. Afterall Bruce wore that suit in an Elseworlds story in a DC Anual in the 90's
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 29, 2007 18:44:54 GMT -5
I'll stick with my theory, since I heard Morrison talking about doing a new Damian story in Batman #666 (what are the odds?) where he's Batman in the future.
arkhaminmate, I just thought of another theory based on what you said. What if this is another side affect from the Crisis, and alternate versions of characters from Elseworlds books have been sucked into the regular DCU?
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Post by jlavaia on Jan 30, 2007 21:12:42 GMT -5
maybe its an aftermath to 52. i mean all the characters on the ground died during or just prior to infinite crisis except the question (vic sage), who died during 52. with Red Robin being in the picture it could mean that something triggers dick grayson to become this sooner as opposed to later. as for the batman it could definitely be Damian as in Kingdom Ibn al Xu'ffasch is the name given to bruce and talia's son, though its not said if its a nickname or his real name. he also states that Nightstar is the reason he hasn't become batman. now in 52 they said someone else will die. we have yet to see Starfire oyl, and if she dies, nightstar will never be born. and starfire's death may be what makes nightwing change to red robin. i mean the only thing about this picture that seems out of place are red robin and batman. every other character is in a current costume and the dead characters have died how they did in current continuity.
it could also have to do with rip hunter and skeets. the screwup with the timestream could have brought these characters here or something along those lines. and the fact that big barda and mister miracle are in the pic and what rip had written on the board about the new gods, it kind of fits. i'm very interested in finding out more.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 30, 2007 21:25:58 GMT -5
I'll stick with my theory, since I heard Morrison talking about doing a new Damian story in Batman #666 (what are the odds?) where he's Batman in the future. arkhaminmate, I just thought of another theory based on what you said. What if this is another side affect from the Crisis, and alternate versions of characters from Elseworlds books have been sucked into the regular DCU? I find your second theory most likely. It makes the most sense outof all of them. When Damien becomes Batman I'd expect him to have an overtly gothic suit as well, but not like that. So you're probably right. |
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 31, 2007 11:50:41 GMT -5
Is this going to be the 52 tie in, something called world war 3?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 31, 2007 20:57:55 GMT -5
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Post by HUSH on Jan 31, 2007 22:23:16 GMT -5
OK, so from he said in response to the 20 questions, it looks like Dick is going to become Red Robin in the near future. I was kind of wanting it to be Damian in the costume, but I would be worried for Bruce's wellbeing if he wasn't in the picture. Getting a closer look at the teaser, Bruce's costume looks more Knightly than anything. If the way he looks is symbolic, maybe it means he's going to take a more direct or more open approach to hero-ing in World War III. The image makes me think of him stepping out of the shadows for some reason. If that's the case(just a theory), I'll be interested- but it had better be temporary. I want him back to his shadowy self sooner or later.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Feb 1, 2007 11:21:58 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Hmm instresting althoug hfor the life of me I dont know why Bruce would wear something like that seems a little off even for Bat's,Red Robin ugh ok I giove this a chance but Nightwing is way way better,God I hope that Wally West he was ans still is thew best flash,lol
Could be really cool cant wait for these to get going.[/glow]
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Post by SPOILED on Feb 8, 2007 21:43:17 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Looks good and annoying. I agree that Bats' outfit must be symbolic of his role as a knight/protector/moral ideal. Chivalric connotations aside, why screw with Nightwing. Seriously. I hope sooo much that it isn't him in the Red Robin outfit.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Feb 8, 2007 22:36:59 GMT -5
I wonder why Lady Liberty was decapitated?
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 24, 2007 21:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by arkhaminmate on Mar 16, 2007 15:17:35 GMT -5
Yeah. I saw the video of Dan Didio accentily letting that one slip at NYComicon
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Post by False Face on Mar 16, 2007 16:14:46 GMT -5
I don't know much about the Flash, but for the Red Robin....
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 29, 2007 16:41:22 GMT -5
DAN DIDIO COMES CLEAN ON THE COUNTDOWN TEASER IMAGE
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It was the image that spawned thousands of comments – DC’s teaser image for Countdown, which showed Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, Black canary, Green Arrow, Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, Flash, and other heroes (and objects) in…curious poses and positions.
Everything in the image, it was said, had meaning. Nothing was accidental.
Yeah – you could almost hear DC Universe Executive Editor Dan DiDio, who masterminded the teaser giggling with somewhat maniacal glee as DC fans pondered and speculated about what the characters meant, why the specific objects were shown, and how it all related to what was coming up in Countdown.
Well now, we’re into Countdown’s run, and DiDio has decided it’s time to come clean – to let some fans know they’re right, to let others know that, while their guess may have been meticulously researched, they were slightly off base, and to drop a couple of major teases about what’s to come.
Just for a refresher, the full image looked like this (click for a larger version, and over here for a ridiculously large version, split up).
Newsarama: First off Dan, let’s talk about the overall setting. As you’ve said before, nothing in this image was accidental or left to chance, so – why New York?
Dan DiDio: Because much of the larger story that will be taking place in the DCU will be taking place in New York, or there will be events taking place there that effect changes in the landscape. Also, New York plays two roles in the image – it hearkens back to the image of Kamandi #1 with the broken Statue of Liberty, but it also has ties to the Sinestro Corps War, which will be playing out later this year. Turns out that Sinestro wants to visit New York City.
Okay – but going deeper…the ground that they stand on is important, too. We put dead DCU characters in the foreground, and basically, anybody who was standing on the ground that the dead characters were laying in – that made them very vulnerable, with the idea being that they might not see the end of the year.
NRAMA: So the ground is the “dead zone?”
DD: Right. Anybody that was in the proximity of the dead zone is also in jeopardy.
NRAMA: So…Mary Marvel is going to die?
DD: No – Mary’s actually sitting on the Statue’s head, so it’s a safe bet that she’ll survive whatever’s coming up for her. If you look under the feet of Superman and Wonder Woman, it’s green, so they’re okay, Canary’s okay. Big Barda and Mr. Miracle…they’re in jeopardy.
NRAMA: Really?
DD: Where they are in that image…I’d say it spells out something like The Death of the New Gods…but that’s just me.
And then we also did one other bit, which may have been too subtle for the picture, and that was Flash having one foot on the statue and one foot off the statue, which meant that particular Flash, at that moment, had one foot in the grave.
NRAMA: And “that particular Flash” was Bart…
DD: That was Bart. It was Barry’s costume, which we meant to be indicative of the fact that Barry was our last dead Flash, so it was a symbolic moment. There was some symbolism in the image as well – it wasn’t all as clear cut as where characters were standing.
NRAMA: What was the importance of showing the dead characters in the first place, when this was a Countdown teaser image, and some of the characters died…what…over a year ago at this point…?
DD: Exactly. It was to show and remind people that characters that they have known and loved aren’t safe. No character in that picture should feel comfortable either.
NRAMA: The device between Jade and Maxwell Lord – what is that? It’s been a point of speculation among fans, given it’s Kirby-esque look…
DD: Yeah – I saw some folks saying that it looks to be a “Kirby device” or at least Kirby in origin, and that’s correct. More importantly, that device appears in our next teaser image as well…about which I can say more in a little bit.
NRAMA: Okay then, moving on – the Legion flight ring up by Blue Beetle’s hand…that was a pointer to “The Lightning Saga?”
DD: It was a little bit of that, but again, where is the ring, physically, in the image?
NRAMA: On the ground.
DD: Right. That’s important.
NRAMA: So the entire Legion is in danger, or the individual Legionnaire that the ring belongs to is?
DD: Whoever owns that ring is going to be in a world of danger that they just might not survive.
NRAMA: So the characters who are dead are on the ground, or have some contact with the ground, yet there’s a little red hand pointed the opposite direction from the ground…
DD: Coming back from the dead, so to speak…and that would be Ray Palmer.
NRAMA: Moving around the image – Kyle and Donna…
DD: The couple – a natural couple to be together…of course, Kyle has a conspicuous yellow ring on, which shows that he, as Parallax has joined the Sinestro Corps.
NRAMA: And Donna in her old costume…
DD: We wanted to give her the look that most people recognize, and identify her with. Also, the color is significant based upon where she’s looking, and another character there, who’s looking at her. Even though she’s standing side-by-side with Kyle, her color signifies that her allegiance might be towards a different character than Kyle.
NRAMA: She’s wearing Red…so, Red Robin?
DD: Right.
NRAMA: But both Donna and Kyle looking off into…
DD: One is looking to the sky; the other is looking toward Red Robin. A lot of them are looking to the skies, though – as if something is coming.
NRAMA: Okay – moving on to Red Robin then…is it safe to assume that’s Jason Todd?
DD: Not only is it safe to assume that, I’ll tell you that. It’s Jason.
NRAMA: And his looking at Donna is playing off the interaction we’ve already seen, and are seeing show up in Countdown?
DD: Absolutely.
NRAMA: Okay – Black Canary. She’s looking off to the sky a bit…why’s she there in the first place?
DD: One of the key beats that we were touching on when this was being worked on was the relationship between Green Arrow and Black Canary, and the fact that Green Arrow is looking towards her, but is apart from her, physically, and her not paying attention to him was our way of showing that Allie would be working hard to win her back over to him.
NRAMA: Batman – is that his son, is that a Batman from another world…who is that?
DD: It’s a very symbolic costume, and that’s a storyline that we haven’t announced yet that’s coming out at the end of the year. The scimitar he’s holding is key to what that costume represents, and who he’ll be confronting.
NRAMA: Would that be Ra’s al Ghul?
DD: I didn’t say that.
NRAMA: But Ra’s has a scimitar thing going on now and again…
DD: All I’ll say is that scimitar is from a very famous cover of a Batman comic book.
NRAMA: You want to make a bet – I’ll say someone will post that cover by the twentieth response…you want higher or lower?
DD: I’ll take lower – I have faith in Batman fans.
NRAMA: Okay – continuing, then…Mary Marvel, looking troubled, and up to the sky…
DD: And half of her is cast in shadow. We’ve had the promotional pieces out, and I don’t think it’s any surprise that she’s coming in contact with Eclipso shortly, and that shadow is a harbinger of that.
NRAMA: Moving to Wonder Woman and Superman…Superman crying…you’ve probably heard enough jokes about that…
DD: [laughing] Well, I think I have, but I’m sure I’ll hear some more.
NRAMA: But what’s the crying suggesting or hinting at? He’s barely appeared in Countdown to date, and he hasn’t seen major tragedy in either Action or Superman…
DD: There’s something key that’s going on in that Superman/Wonder Woman image and I can’t give away the story beat there. Superman’s crying, and it’s for a good reason, and looking for comfort from Wonder Woman. The position they’re in, how they’re seated…it all gives away bits of the clues as to the pain that Superman is feeling.
NRAMA: There have been those who’ve said it’s reminiscent of Michelangelo’s Pieta, which is Mary cradling the body of Jesus…a parent mourning over a lost child…
DD: There might be some familiarity with that positioning.
NRAMA: And the shield behind Wonder Woman – a sign of the (the) coming attack by the Amazons?
DD: That’s actually Hippolyta’s shield, and signified the return of Wonder Woman’s mother.
NRAMA: Okay – anything we missed…?
DD: Um…hm…let’s go through it…looks matter, body positions matter…Jason as Red Robin will drive a wedge between the Challengers from Beyond…Batman’s sword, someone’s coming…a Legionnaire is marked for death…Superman and Wonder Woman discuss parent issues…is that a Boom Tube up there…?
NRAMA: “Parent issues?”
DD: Who said that?
NRAMA: You did.
DD: Oh, yes I did.
NRAMA: And?
DD: And I said, “parent issues.”
NRAMA: That’s all you’re saying?
DD: [laughs] for now.
NRAMA: Just to wrap up then – in the end, were you happy with how this teaser image worked?
DD: It was a lot of fun to put together – and yeah, sometimes we felt too clever for our own good, but what amazed us was just how that every piece was figured out, more or less – not all of them were figured out at the same time, by the same readers, or on the same site, but everything was identified, and everything was there. It was something that people who know and love DC were able to have fun with and play along with, and that’s what prompted us to do the second one.
Newsarama Note: Check back Monday for the world debut of DC’s second Countdown teaser image only here at Newsarama.
Oh boy.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 2, 2007 14:15:40 GMT -5
DC's second teaser:  |
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Post by batmaster on Jul 3, 2007 7:12:33 GMT -5
Nice pic...
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Post by coliv1977 on Jul 3, 2007 7:18:35 GMT -5
That pic would make an awesome wallpaper!!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 3, 2007 22:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 6, 2007 13:13:40 GMT -5
dccomics.com/news/?nw=8089 A- Anyone standing on the barren ground is doomed. In this case, it spells The Death of the New Gods. B- The yellow ring corrupts Kyle in The Sinestro Corps War. C- Jason Todd becomes Red Robin, driving a wedge in the Challengers from Beyond. D- Green Arrow struggles to win the love of Black Canary. E- Batman, in symbolic garb, wields the sword which harkens the return of a deadly foe. F- Dressed in Barry's costume, Bart showed that he had one foot in the grave. G- A Legionnaire is lost and marked for death in Countdown. H- The Atom, lost, struggles to survive. I- The shield marked Hippolyta's return. J- Superman and Wonder Woman discuss parent issues. K- Is that a Boom Tube I see, and can that be the path to salvation? L- The shadow of evil falls over Mary Marvel.
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Post by BruceBatman on Jul 21, 2007 16:14:48 GMT -5
Maybe it's to Final Crisis!?
No, I doubt it is for Planet of the Apes!!!!!!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 21, 2007 18:08:34 GMT -5
Maybe it's to Final Crisis!? No, I doubt it is for Planet of the Apes!!!!!! We've established this is to Final Crisis. |
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Post by BruceBatman on Aug 10, 2007 2:54:57 GMT -5
Maybe it's to Final Crisis!? No, I doubt it is for Planet of the Apes!!!!!! We've established this is to Final Crisis. Yeah, I know!!!! I was just reading and commenting on previous comments/posts on previous pages! By the way, nice pics. |
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