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Post by PJ on Aug 15, 2008 15:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by PJ on Aug 18, 2008 17:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by anthonywayne on Aug 20, 2008 10:22:37 GMT -5
Still looking - hit every Target in my area earlier this week, but no luck - really looking forward to finding Robin & Nightwing.
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 22, 2008 22:59:24 GMT -5
The Nightwing I went to ebay for last week arrived today and he's AWESOME! I personally think he is by far the best Nightwing figure made. you're entitled to your opinion of coarse, but the DC Direct Hush Nightwing is by far the best Nightwing fig ever made. the DCUC fig has such a bad head sculpt, which makes it the worst Nightwing fig ever made. that's where Mattel keeps dropping the ball with this line. they've put great detail into the C&C figs, but none whatsoever into the regular figures.
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Post by Peev34 on Aug 22, 2008 23:43:14 GMT -5
you're entitled to your opinion of coarse, but the DC Direct Hush Nightwing is by far the best Nightwing fig ever made. the DCUC fig has such a bad head sculpt, which makes it the worst Nightwing fig ever made. that's where Mattel keeps dropping the ball with this line. they've put great detail into the C&C figs, but none whatsoever into the regular figures. As you stated...you are entitled to your opinion...but there is NO WAY this is the worst Nightwing ever made (Legends of Batman, anyone?). PJ, as always great pics! I have not been active on the boards for over two years and I come back to find that you are still around with some of the best new toy pics out there!!
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Post by PJ on Aug 22, 2008 23:43:18 GMT -5
Until this DCUC figure was released the Hush Nightwing was the best, but that wasn't saying much because it had a couple major flaws. The first wasn't the sculptor's fault, but rather Jim Lee's design. I hated that Lee drew Nightwing's costum so streamlined by removing the gauntlet pouches of the gloves & boots. Plus I hated the pre-posed sculpt they designed the figure in. Both were major flaws as far as I'm concerned and ruined the Hush Nightwing for me. (Same with the Hush Batman the awkwardly preposed legs ruined that figure for me.) But I do agree the head sculpt was amazing.
Thanks Peev34...And I try to post once a week if possible. (More when I find Bat releated items)
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Post by jokermatt on Aug 23, 2008 7:57:01 GMT -5
Hey guyes I've manage to get a set from going to 2 different Targets. So keep looking the ones around me look to be putting out new things now. Also all of the Wal-marts around here look like they are getting ready to Christmas. Lots of things on sale and big spaces in the toy department.
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Post by PJ on Aug 23, 2008 15:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by dhunter333 on Aug 23, 2008 21:54:56 GMT -5
i like how u added the batman returns penguins to the picture ;p
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Post by IamI on Aug 26, 2008 2:56:13 GMT -5
Great pics PJ, as always. My Nightwing has a hard time keeping his chin up - it always droops down. Does any one else have that problem?
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Post by PJ on Aug 26, 2008 5:45:56 GMT -5
Thanks. And nope. Mine doesn't have that problem. I've read about many problems with these, but luckily other than my unmasked Deathstroke poorly painted (dirty) face and not having his pistol & holster all my figures have had no poor joints, wrong parts or great paint applications. Here's hoping that my case from BBTS is just as good as the figures I've found locally.
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Post by phalsephace on Aug 26, 2008 11:47:12 GMT -5
I personally think he is by far the best Nightwing figure made. I Totally agree! Series 3 Nightwing and Series 4 Batman Beyond are my two Favorite figures Revealed in the DCUC line, So Far! Long Live DC Universe Classics
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Post by electri on Aug 26, 2008 15:57:20 GMT -5
The Nightwing I went to ebay for last week arrived today and he's AWESOME! I personally think he is by far the best Nightwing figure made. you're entitled to your opinion of coarse, but the DC Direct Hush Nightwing is by far the best Nightwing fig ever made. the DCUC fig has such a bad head sculpt, which makes it the worst Nightwing fig ever made. that's where Mattel keeps dropping the ball with this line. they've put great detail into the C&C figs, but none whatsoever into the regular figures. yh look at GL's head and Neck OFF
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 27, 2008 21:10:17 GMT -5
those are great pics PJ. thanks for posting them. i was actually very curious to see how bad the scaling was and the pic with every fig together next to each other really shows the problems with the line. the Darkseid fig was made before they really started making figs in scale with each other, so forget that, but they made Sinestro ridiculously short, Penguin ridiculously tall, Etrigan is way too big, Robin is too small and Harley is too big. how is the Harley Quinn fig bigger than the Robin? it doesnt make any sense. why do they bother to make the figs in scale with the other figs if they are going to do it incorrectly?
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Post by electri on Aug 27, 2008 21:37:08 GMT -5
yeah dcuc isn't wat it was hyped up to be
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Post by PJ on Aug 27, 2008 22:47:34 GMT -5
My case from BBTS had the unmasked Slade & Classic Sinestro. Which was good, as I still needed the classic Sinestro and although I had wanted another masked Deathstroke it's OK, because the Unmasked Slade I had bought at Target this weekend was missing his pistol & holster and had a very messy face. So now I can "fiddle" with that one and display the new one on the shelf. Only the Robin was messed up in my case because of the large right hand plus he also has an extremely warped right ankle. I haven't decided yet, but I might exchange him at Target when I see another Robin. Luckily the one I bought at Target Saturday was perfect so I can hold off for a while on that. I've pretty much lucked out with these as I have 2 sets/cases and only the one Robin had any major issues.
As for the scale other than Sinestro I have no problem with it. Penguin is actually shorter than the Sinestro figure. And that's with him wearing a hat that's about an inch tall by itself. Etrigan I've always pictured as being very large. I guess Lobo is too tall, but I don't mind that as I've always though he was about 7' - 7' 6". Doomsday, Darkseid & Mongul may not be tall enough, but we knew that going in because of the "fitting on card" issuse Mattel was having. But I personally think their body mass makes up for the lack of height. And as for Robin with the exception of his arms I think is perfect. Everytime I've seen Tim in a comic book he was always a runt compared to his classmates. So I think the figure's height is perfect...I just wish his arms weren't so buff.
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 27, 2008 23:04:55 GMT -5
As for the scale other than Sinestro I have no problem with it. Penguin is actually shorter than the Sinestro figure. And that's with him wearing a hat that's about an inch tall by itself. Etrigan I've always pictured as being very large. I guess Lobo is too tall, but I don't mind that as I've always though he was about 7' - 7' 6". Doomsday, Darkseid & Mongul may not be tall enough, but we knew that going in because of the "fitting on card" issuse Mattel was having. But I personally think their body mass makes up for the lack of height. And as for Robin with the exception of his arms I think is perfect. Everytime I've seen Tim in a comic book he was always a runt compared to his classmates. So I think the figure's height is perfect...I just wish his arms weren't so buff. both Penguin and Harley Quinn are shorter than Robin in the comics, and both figures are larger than him. Etrigan is only 6'4" in the comics. Lobo is the correct height compared with Solomon Grundy who is the correct height. Darkseid was from the older line, if they make a new Darkseid it has to be taller than Lobo but shorter than Grundy. Sinestro should be alot taller. currently he's 6'7" and the classic Sinestro should be even taller than that as classic Sinestro stands around 7' tall in the comics. Tim Drake really is short, but he's not that short and he's not shorter than Harley and Penguin. Penguin is 5'2", Harley is 5'4", while Tim is 5'7". the scaling is off badly. the problem comes from Mattel doing no research whatsoever and putting no detail into their figs. the only figs that they have done well so far are the C & C figs.
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Post by PJ on Aug 28, 2008 9:47:28 GMT -5
While I do agree with you about the Sinestro figure being grossly to short. I have to disagree with you about Robin & Penguin figure. The figures don't need to be perfect for me, because in the comics their scales vary from artist to artist And no company is going to make scale 100% accurate. DCD doesn't even get the scale right. So with the figures I just want the basics Sinestro to be taller than Hal, Batman taller than his family... etc. And if you look at the figures Robin is actually taller than Penguin (if he wasn't wearing his hat) And although I haven't read a comic in about a year from what I remember Tim was more than a few inches shorter than Dick (who I think is supposed to be 5'10 or 5'11) I think he came up to his chin...so if Robin was standing with his legs closer together like Nightwing this is about right to me. My only gripe with the Robin is his arms are too buff.
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 28, 2008 13:17:57 GMT -5
Penguin is 5'2", Robin is 5'7". they should not be that close in height.
also, DC Direct doesnt make their figs in scale with each other. yes, certain lines do it and the figs in each line are usually to scale with the other figs from the same line, but DC Direct makes artist specific figs made for collectors for display purposes. Mattel is trying to have all the figs in scale with each other from this line and didnt do it accurately. yes, no company is 100% accurate with scaling, but if you are going to go that route, you can attempt to be at least 75% accurate. Mattel has correctly scaled 2 figures with the rest of their figs. that's it. if they put more effort into the headscultps and less into trying to make the figs in scale with each other, this line would be better and probaly would be doing better sales-wise.
also Mattel isnt in competition with DC Direct. i dont know why alot of people try to compare the 2 companies. Mattel's competition with this line is Marvel Legends. DC Direct's competition is Marvel Select.
and yes, Dick is 5'10, so he somewhat matches correctly with Tim, but then Hal Jordan is 6'2" and the Nightwing and Green Lantern figs are the same height. that shouldnt be. this line would be better if they just made every fig the same size instead of incorrectly scaling all the figs except 2.
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Post by PJ on Aug 28, 2008 14:56:45 GMT -5
Well, that pi$$e$ me off. I just posted a looonng reply and when I hit "post reply" my computer cr@pped out. Anyway here's the quick reply now as I don't feel lke going through all that again.
First off I can't think of any company that has ever gotten various heights to the correct scales. Even with DCD they screw up scales within the same line. 2 quick examples: Public Enemies Hawkman is grossly too large. And the Knightfall Catwoman is taller than every male figure in the series. They are both so out of scale that they look odd in their own lines. And there's been others as well. But those were the two that annoyed me the most. I used DCD as an example, because I'm a DC guy and collect DCD also. I could have said WWE Classic Series as that's another line I collect and the scale is totally nonexistent there also.
As far as the DCSH/DCUC lines go the only figures I have/had issues with are...the original 6" Joker, Series 1 Scarecrow & now Sinestro. And with the Joker I've decided he'd be closer to his correct scale if he wasn't pre-posed in that leaning c0cked-hips posed they sculpted him in. But for the most part characters like Bane, Clayface, Darkseid, Mongul, Doomsady who might not have the correct height make up for it in their body mass. The C&C figures have been awesomely huge. The Heroes and regular villains are all about the same scale and are taller than the females/teens. Penguin is shorter than everyone. All of which I personally think looks better displayed together than DCD when they were pre-Artist specific lines. Plus with the exception of the Bane & Joker they aren't pre-posed.
With DCD I got so tired of trying to find an empty spot on my shelves where I could display them without them looking odd with other DCD lines. If the different lines were too close together on the shelf it made both lines look odd either because of the scale or the way some were pre-posed. It got so bad once they started artist specific lines I just gave up and didn't care where they were displayed. But now with the exception of the DC13", Hush/Secret Files & Public Enemy/JLA Classified, Ross Justice and a few Batman figures that I have displayed on 4 different shelves in a cabinet I've boxed everything else up and put them in storage.
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 28, 2008 15:44:24 GMT -5
DC Direct doesnt put their figures to scale with the others. thats not what they wanted to do, and the figures are better for it. DCUC is trying to do that. that's the problem. WWE Classics dont scale their figs either, all are the same height. thats the route Jakks wanted to go. you cant compare Mattel's incorrect scaling with other companies that dont make their figs to scale.
and you keep mentioning the Darkseid fig, so let's talk about it. Darkseid is the 6th tallest character in the DCU, the fig doesnt accurately depict that. you said it makes it up in its mass. that cant be further from the truth though. Darkseid weighs 1815 lbs. and he's one of the heaviest characters in the DCU. he's almost double Grundy's weight, yet the Grundy fig is heavier. so the Mattel Darkseid is horrendous and is one of the worst Darkseid figs made. the Total Justice Darkseid is more accurate than Mattel's. Mongul is also heavier than Grundy. so that fig is off too. i understand that you really like this line, but the figs arent done right. if Mattel just made normal figs all around the same height and didnt try to make them all in scale with each other they'd be alot better. all the effort they are putting into the scaling should be put into making better headscultps and more accurate bodies. if these figs were made better, perhaps they wouldnt shelf warm too.
EDIT: i forgot to mention this, i'm not anti-Mattel and i actually love the Infinite Heroes line. if they put the effort they put into those figs into DCUC then the DCUC line would be great. Infinite Heroes is how DCUC should have been, making a few figs of characters that have never gotten a fig before and putting good detail in them.
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Post by PJ on Aug 28, 2008 16:45:54 GMT -5
Worst Darkseid ever made is the DCD figure from the 2-Pack with Orion. With the exception of his height the Darkseid sculpted by the Horsemen is the best looking Darkseid out there. And he was released when Mattel said they had to be shorter to fit the blisters sizes. I'm sure now that they are doing C&C figures he'll be redone as such. Don't quote me, but I think they've (Horsemen or Toy Guru) already said that they would in one of their interviews.
You keep saying that DCD isn't supposed to be in scale with each other...So you are trying to tell me the Knightfall Catwoman isn't supposed to be in scale with the rest of the Knightfall wave she was released in? If that's the case that's pure bull. They dropped the ball on her. And the same with the Public Enemy Hawkman in the Public Enemy line. And when they were first doing their figures the SA figures All were to scale with one another. Especially all the box sets -(Superman/Lois, Batman/Robin, Penguin/Catwoman, Joker/Batgirl, Hawkman/Hawkgirl, Flash/Kid Flash, Aquaman/Aqualad, Shazam/Billy, Darkseid/Orion, Green Arrow/Speedy) Then they started doing pre-posed Artist specific lines and scale was dropped.
I to like the DCIH line, but am a little peeved that they are changing the design of them in 2009. With the new articulaion they are going to add the design will more than likely look different than all the ones I've already bought...So unless they redo all the figures they release in 2008 with the added articulation they will look odd with the new ones. And then of course the other side is if they do rerelease the 2008 characters in 09 with the new articulation I don't want to have to buy them all again.
I do like and support DCD, but I think the product thier sculptors are producing isn't nowhere near as nice as the work the Horsemen are doing for Mattel.
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Post by coliv1977 on Aug 28, 2008 17:22:22 GMT -5
While I do agree with you about the Sinestro figure being grossly to short. I have to disagree with you about Robin & Penguin figure. The figures don't need to be perfect for me, because in the comics their scales vary from artist to artist And no company is going to make scale 100% accurate. DCD doesn't even get the scale right. So with the figures I just want the basics Sinestro to be taller than Hal, Batman taller than his family... etc. And if you look at the figures Robin is actually taller than Penguin (if he wasn't wearing his hat) And although I haven't read a comic in about a year from what I remember Tim was more than a few inches shorter than Dick (who I think is supposed to be 5'10 or 5'11) I think he came up to his chin...so if Robin was standing with his legs closer together like Nightwing this is about right to me. My only gripe with the Robin is his arms are too buff. The Grundy looks awesome!
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 28, 2008 17:22:44 GMT -5
Worst Darkseid ever made is the DCD figure from the 2-Pack with Orion. With the exception of his height the Darkseid sculpted by the Horsemen is the best looking Darkseid out there. And he was released when Mattel said they had to be shorter to fit the blisters sizes. I'm sure now that they are doing C&C figures he'll be redone as such. Don't quote me, but I think they've (Horsemen or Toy Guru) already said that they would in one of their interviews. I do like and support DCD, but I think the product thier sculptors are producing isn't nowhere near as nice as the work the Horsemen are doing for Mattel. okay, first the best Darkseid is the DCD New Gods Darkseid based on Jack Kirby's art, the man who created the character. no other Darkseid fig comes close. also the Mattel Darkseid was made because they wanted a Darkseid fig tocompare with the Superman/Batman series 2 Darkseid based off of Michael Turner's artwork, which is also an awesome fig. Mattel continues to release figs for no other reason than DC Direct made it so we have to. why else would Mattel have Dr. Impossible in an upcoming series. as for Mattel figs being better than DCD, i cant agree with you on that. the only reason i can even think that someone would think that the Mattel figs are better are for people that like articulation. but the problem with lots of articulation is that you lose things in the sculpt of the figure. which is why Mattel cant get the bodies right on their female figs. DC Direct makes artist specific figures that capture the characters exactly as they are drawn in the comics. Mattel makes figures with lots of articulation and very little detail. alot of the Mattel figs dont look like the characters. they make them how they would want them to be, and how they want the characters to look, not how the characters actual appear. yes, Mattel has much better articulation, but they do not make a better figure. the 2 companies shouldnt even be compared. DC Direct makes sculpture-like artist specific figures made for collectors, while Mattel makes generic retail figures for everyone. you can compare DCUC figs to Marvel Legends, but there again the line comes up short. and yeah i agree about the IH figs and the new articulation. i really hope it doesnt take away from the detail. i love the Zoom fig and the detail on the head scultp. i didnt think it was posible to truly capture the Zolomon Zoom in a fig because of his powers, but they did a good job with it.
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Post by PJ on Aug 28, 2008 18:31:56 GMT -5
I don't have the Kirby Darkseid, but I do have the Turner figure and I don't think he's that great. I actually have all Kenner/DCD/Hasbro/Mattel Darkseid figures except the Kirby figure. And if I were to rank them it'd be - DCSH TJ (once I removed the claw) JLU DCD Turner DCD boxed set Super Powers (I think that's all except the DCD Kirby) I will say the DCD Mongul is pretty sweet. And DCD has yet to make a bad Hal Jordan figure...But I've yet to see a DCD Batman I was totally in love with.Closest is Batman & Son (although I think he's too buff) and the JLA Batman. If it weren't for the extremly large sculpted human ears under the cowl he would be the best DCD Batman. Trinity Bats is pretty sweet as well, But none of those Batman figures are as nice as the DCUC Series 1 Batman. The Toy Biz ML were crap plain and simple. The first Punisher (series 3?) was awesome, but most suffer from too much articulation. (Series 1 Iron Man great sculpt, but the figure was like a ragdoll because his articulation was so loose) Because too much articulation = fragile, odd looking figures. Fingers, toes, double knees, double elbows, and the extra lats that some figures sported (DareDevil) ruined the figures sculpts to me. And another problem with DCD is the d@mn brittle plastic they use for the joint pins. I don't know how many of my DCD knee pins buckled and broke from just holding up their weight. I'm 41 and just display my figures on shelves. And here's a list of figures off the top of my head that I discovered had broken knee pins when I was dusting them off within the last year- SA boxed set Batman, HTH Green Arrow, HTH Hal Jordan, Hush Batman, Hush Nightwing, Hush Catwoman, Teen Titans Wonder Girl, The SA Batman (Hush Batman rerelease) and same sets Scarecrow all have had one or both knee pins break under the weight of their own weight. At $15 a pop that should never happen. Also I'm not a fan of the pre-posed sculpt DVD gives many of their figures. They totally ruined the Hush Batman with the pre-posed legs. He has to be posed at a certain angle to hide his thunder tighs and what looks to be a dislocated left hip. The back of his quad is under his crotch. He looks awesome from the one angle, but horrid from every other angle. Neither of the above has happened with Mattel (at least not yet) Also to play the Devil's advocate here...You say that DCD Artist specific figures are OK, but the Horsemen's figures aren't. Couldn't one argue that the DCUC is their style? And I'm pretty sure the Horsemen work off the style guide sheets that DC give them. And that DC signs off on the sculpts before they are produced. At the end of the day both lines are pretty sweet. And I'm rambling now...So let's just agree to disagree and enjoy our DC figures! Oh and going back to DCIH for a minute I can't wait for the Batman or the Hal/Ollie/BC 3-Pack. I have them on preorder with BBTS. I have to go find and return a DVD that my daughter was watching. My wife returned it today, but they called and said it wasn't in the case.
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 28, 2008 18:50:57 GMT -5
how did you get the claw off the TJ Darkseid? i got that figure when right around when it first came out, i love it, except for the ridiculous claw and i've learned to kind of deal with it, but hearing that you've found a way to remove it is great news.
the only DCD fig that i had a knee problem with was my Etrigan, but i just glued it back and havent had any problems and you cant even tell that it had ever come off. that fig poses great and how i had displayed him, he had a smaller fig in front of him so you never saw his legs anyway (i had to take him down from my display as it was full and i dont have the room to display him without cluttering everything up).
the Hasbro ML figs have gotten better, and the later series Toybiz MLs were much better and tighter. the early series was a learning process for them as they hadnt made figs with that much articulation before that aside from some Spider-Man figs. if you want a great ML Iron Man get the Modern Armor or the Face-Off versions. the Hulkbuster Iron Man is awesome too and i dont have Thorbuster Iron Man, but it looks awesome and i want to get it, so i cant tell you how good it really is, only that it looks good. and i love that Punisher fig too. its from series 4.
as for the Horseman, the figs are based off of their own designs. yes, they are artist specific, but they're artists that never worked on a title of the character. technically JLU figs are artist specific too since they're based off of the artwork of Bruce Timm. DC Direct makes figs based off of artists who drew the books and the figs are based off of how the characters looked during the particular series or arc that the set is for.
you are correct though, both DCD and Mattel are good lines. i do like DCUC only for the C&C figs though, which they do an amazing job with. i've enjoyed this little debate. thanks. and good luck finding the dvd. check under the couch cushions, my daughter puts alot of stuff under them. and if you can let me know about removing the claw that'd be much appreciated. thanks.
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Post by PJ on Aug 28, 2008 19:24:40 GMT -5
It was in the DVD player in my truck. As for the claw I ripped it off the arm then put the gauntlet that came with the Hasbro Batman & Robin Bane figure on the arm. here's a crappy pic of it - (Click to enlarge) Here's a better pic I just took -
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 28, 2008 19:37:25 GMT -5
good idea. that figure looks so much better with the claw on it. i have to do something with mine. thanks.
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Post by PJ on Aug 28, 2008 20:09:23 GMT -5
No problem
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Post by PJ on Aug 29, 2008 15:15:25 GMT -5
Well, I didn't find another Robin today to replace the one with the large hand I received from BBTS, but I did just find a hand to replace the extra large hand with... Thank God for this extra Professor X...He's been sitting in my desk forever because I was going to make an Alfred out of him, but never got around to it. So now all I have to do is paint it.
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