Doomsday
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 28, 2008 8:26:08 GMT -5
Bruce Wayne: [about the Batsuit] Tear resistant? Lucius Fox: This sucker will stop a knife. Bruce Wayne: Bulletproof? Lucius Fox: Anything but a straight shot.
Those quotes were taken from Batman Begins. Fox said that the Batsuit is bulletproof unless it's a straight shot. How did Two-Face shoot Batsy in The Dark Knight? With a straight shot! Batman should've died! What do you think?
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 28, 2008 9:33:05 GMT -5
Not to mention, with the new suit, he wasn't as protected as before.
Anyway, some people do take straight gun shots to the stomach and live.
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 28, 2008 13:31:41 GMT -5
I think youre taking it a bit too litterally. Confusing "should've" with "could have".
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Post by Jack the Skull on Sept 28, 2008 18:27:27 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]I never thought of that! Great point Doomsday!
My guess is that Fox was not a 100% sure if they were bullet proof!
That is just my guess, but to each it's own![/shadow]
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Post by batfan93 on Sept 29, 2008 1:22:41 GMT -5
He can't die from a gun-shot! He's the goddamn Batman! No, seriously, I think Fox really wasn't sure about it, as Jacktheskull said.
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Post by SuperPa on Sept 29, 2008 7:13:31 GMT -5
I'd say Fox was'nt sure,more a 50/50 type of thing,might work,might not.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 29, 2008 18:29:23 GMT -5
Anyway, some people do take straight gun shots to the stomach and live. And still have enough energy to take out Two-Face and make a quotable speech? [shadow=red,left,300]I never thought of that! Great point Doomsday! My guess is that Fox was not a 100% sure if they were bullet proof! That is just my guess, but to each it's own![/shadow] Thank you, but i'm not quite positive that Fox wasn't sure of himself. He said it pretty cleanly, and did not the tone used when guessing. He can't die from a gun-shot! He's the goddamn Batman!
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Post by KelvTwelve on Sept 30, 2008 2:56:54 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the suit had Kevlar armor on it and that's where Two-Face shot without noticing. I think I read that in the script or novel...
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 30, 2008 8:45:38 GMT -5
The scene where Batman is shot in the script claims: He points the gun at Batman. FLIPS the coin. TAILS. He SHOOTS him, and Batman COLLAPSES, clutching his gut.
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Post by KelvTwelve on Sept 30, 2008 11:11:27 GMT -5
Well, that's the stomach area, if you look at the design sheet on the site well, there was mostly Kevlar armor in that area. Hitting between the kevlar armor would be hard, it's a pretty tight squeeze in that area, it's most likely that it hit the kevlar and still affected Bruce a bit. Or Bruce was acting to make it seem like he died so Two-Face wouldn't expect the surprise attack from later.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 30, 2008 13:48:48 GMT -5
Well, that's the stomach area, if you look at the design sheet on the site well, there was mostly Kevlar armor in that area. Hitting between the kevlar armor would be hard, it's a pretty tight squeeze in that area, it's most likely that it hit the kevlar and still affected Bruce a bit. Or Bruce was acting to make it seem like he died so Two-Face wouldn't expect the surprise attack from later. True. but are you sure those selected areas are really kevlar? It's a strong possibility, but y'never know.
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Post by KelvTwelve on Sept 30, 2008 14:00:58 GMT -5
Anything's possible if you believe.
Sorry, being real cheesy lately.
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Post by Jack the Skull on Sept 30, 2008 20:15:36 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300] Reading this arguement makes me want to watch that movie again! Thanks alot guys![/shadow]
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 30, 2008 21:15:35 GMT -5
^ Cool, and thanks to you to.
I ust found some info on the Batsuit:
The Batsuit is changed in the next film The Dark Knight. In this new design, the bodysuit is made of hardened kevlar plates on a titanium-dipped fiber and is broken into multiple pieces of armor over a more flexible bodysuit for greater mobility. As a trade-off, however, the flexible armor leaves Batman more vulnerable to injury from bullets or knifes in favor of increased flexibility and lighter weight. The cowl of the Batsuit, which in previous film incarnations has been attached to the shoulder and neck, is now a separate component inspired by the design of motorcycle helmets, allowing the wearer to freely swivel and move his neck without moving the rest of his upper torso as was characteristic in all the previous cinematic versions of the Batsuit. Also, a strong electric current runs through it that prevents anyone except Bruce Wayne from removing it, further protecting his identity.
there you have it. It's kevlar, yet it makes him easier to get harmed from bullets. So a straight shot would really do some damage, even more than in BB.
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Post by /\/\att on Oct 1, 2008 6:07:41 GMT -5
The way that I saw it, Batman clinched his gut as a method of strategy, so that he could get close to Harvey and catch him off guard.
Also, even when you are wearing Kevlar..getting shot hurts like hell, so you'd still clinch your gut, lol.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 1, 2008 7:30:07 GMT -5
The way that I saw it, Batman clinched his gut as a method of strategy, so that he could get close to Harvey and catch him off guard. Also, even when you are wearing Kevlar..getting shot hurts like hell, so you'd still clinch your gut, lol. Yeah, but my point is that he's even more subjected to bullets than in Batman Begins, which means a straight shot right into the stomach should easily kill him.
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Post by /\/\att on Oct 1, 2008 8:06:50 GMT -5
The way that I saw it, Batman clinched his gut as a method of strategy, so that he could get close to Harvey and catch him off guard. Also, even when you are wearing Kevlar..getting shot hurts like hell, so you'd still clinch your gut, lol. Yeah, but my point is that he's even more subjected to bullets than in Batman Begins, which means a straight shot right into the stomach should easily kill him. Who said it was a straight shot? Harvey could easily have been at an angle when shooting him. I don't think it was perfectly straight. The Kevlar on his suit is more than enough to deflect most gunshots. At all odds if you walked up to Batman, stuck a gun in his stomach, in between the kevlar padding, then you could probably get him. Good luck getting that close. OH! and its a movie. We have to allow for some cinematic storytelling here.
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Post by BruceBatman on Oct 4, 2008 22:44:09 GMT -5
Well, although he may have clenched it out of strategy, I doubt it Matt! I question if Batman even knew whether or not Two-Face was going to shoot him or not! I think he doubted Two-Face was goind to shoot him.
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Post by mr. battastic on Oct 6, 2008 17:54:06 GMT -5
yea but the bullet is still gonna hurt like crapso it might have just winded him. wat i wanna know is how dent died from that fall when batman fell the same height and then got up and hauld butt to the batpod
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 9, 2008 18:03:22 GMT -5
^ well he was wearing armor
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Post by Jack the Skull on Oct 9, 2008 18:17:40 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]^Also Batman maybe have been able to deploy his cape or his protective suit and training could have helped him, as Doomsday has mentioned.
But remember in the movie; Batman throws himself off of the tallest buildings in Gotham to save Rachel and Survives!
Batman sure escaped the Grim Reaper several times in the film. [/shadow]
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Oct 9, 2008 19:07:42 GMT -5
Does it really matter whether Batman should have died or not? He lived. You saw him. I saw him. He got up. He's okay.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 9, 2008 21:06:16 GMT -5
Does it really matter whether Batman should have died or not? He lived. You saw him. I saw him. He got up. He's okay. [shadow=red,left,300]^Also Batman maybe have been able to deploy his cape or his protective suit and training could have helped him, as Doomsday has mentioned. But remember in the movie; Batman throws himself off of the tallest buildings in Gotham to save Rachel and Survives!Batman sure escaped the Grim Reaper several times in the film. [/shadow] Well, it's not like he was shot and fell. He spread his "wings" and hit a car feet first.
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Post by mr. battastic on Oct 10, 2008 13:45:38 GMT -5
well u know batman would have been ok because hes the batman for god sakes! ur not gonna kill him. morrison will find that out later but the way tdk ended dents dead and batman stood up and outran the k-9 unit. so yeah his conditioning could have helped a lot.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 12, 2008 9:36:05 GMT -5
^ I hate those answers: He cant die! He's Batman!
well we're taking a technical point of view.
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Post by mr. battastic on Oct 13, 2008 16:20:51 GMT -5
well what do u wont depending where it hit even if the armor didn't help it'd miss the organs and it'd just hurt like crap. plausible or not he lived. if he didn't this topic would be why'd they kill batman in tdk? hes batman!
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Post by Batlaw on Oct 14, 2008 18:04:55 GMT -5
I find it wild that out of all the fantastic and impossible elements of the movie, THIS is what somebody takes issue with or obsesses over? (An impossibly well trained adult male in near impossible physical condition, wearing an all but impossible armored suit in the dark surviving a non specific gunshot to the abdomen from a revolver we know nothing about, using unspecified ammo, at an unspecified distance by a very emotionally distraught and psychologically unstable man with who knows what level of firearms proficiency and the possibility of physical handicaps).
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Post by mr. battastic on Oct 15, 2008 16:39:13 GMT -5
that is very true. and if u look very closely u can see were it looks like it hits armor. its a really quick shot but the plate looks scratched when batman grabs his gut and collapses. i still question the fall he took more than the shot. the camera angle makes it look like a very long fall and though that armor is lighter its still more weight pulling down
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