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Post by J-Man on Jan 29, 2006 10:57:59 GMT -5
Honestly, man...I'm not sure where these die-hard Loeb-ers are you're referring to. It seems more like you've created a feud yourself, and others are arguing with you just for the sake of it, lol. I don't think anyone here LOVES Loeb particularly. I know I don't. He's off his rocker half the time. He's written some good stuff...but so have MANY other writers. NO ONE here would ever bash Denny for his work..he's a legend. I really think you're creating your own feud here.... [shadow=purple,left,300]Just "The Long Halloween" and "Dark Victory!"
Oh, and it was David Goyer who said TLH had an impact on the script, not Christopher Nolan. It was also Jim Lee's interview that I was thinking of. Those were my mistakes.[/shadow]
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 29, 2006 22:03:56 GMT -5
Here's my uptake on this. The movies should show the evolution of Gotham that we all know about.
For those wondering what I'm talking about, let me explain.
During the time from between Bruce's parents were killed and Batman first appeared, Gotham was a city of organized crime and mobsters. Mostly controlled by Carmine Falcone. The cops were corrupt, and it seemed there was no hope left. Then, 7 years later after Bruce left Gotham for training, he came back as Gotham's protector: The Batman. After the long fight to bring down organized crime, Batman, Gordon, and Dent finally brought down Falcone.
But later after Batman appeared, Gotham City was becoming the city of monsters. When villains like Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, Penguin, Poison Ivy, and Joker appeared, the mob families began to deminish. After it was gone, Gotham was now the city of freaks.
What I'm saying is that the realism approach is great for now, but for the later movies, we may see the transition of the movies becoming the fantasy stories with unrealistic villains like Croc, Man-Bat, and Freeze. We will see fantasy, but not for another 10 years or so.
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Post by DBrennan3333 on Jan 31, 2006 0:39:48 GMT -5
Here's my uptake on this. The movies should show the evolution of Gotham that we all know about. For those wondering what I'm talking about, let me explain. "The evolution of Gotham we all know about." If we all knew about it....I don't think you'd have to explain it. It's great that you like this era from Batman. Personally, I think it sucks and I choose to stick with the Dennis O'Neil-era Batman beginning, roughly, in 1986 and ending with the conclusion to 'Knightfall' in 1994. But, see, the filmmakers aren't trying to stay true to the current Batman comics or the 1960's TV show version of Batman or the 1950's Dick Sprang version (although, as I've thoroughly documented, the filmmakers are following the Dennis O'Neil version, in spirit and in fact, more than any one other). The filmmakers are trying to make a GOOD MOVIE. That's it. If that means taking something from the 1970's....take it! Same with from the B:TAS or from any other means. And guess what? They can also create their own stuff! They already did. Had you ever heard of Rachel Dawes? Ever seen Joe Chill executed in a courtroom? Ever heard of the microwave emitter? No....they made it up themselves. My point is that they should stay consistent to what worked: realism. And if they want it to continue to be realistic (relative realistic, anyway), then their best bet is to stick with the Batman from the Dennis O'Neil-era as their primary source material from the comics.
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Post by reideen1313 on Jan 31, 2006 1:38:01 GMT -5
It's great that you like this era from Batman. Personally, I think it sucks As usual, that's your opinion. It's not any more valid than anyone else's here. Good for you. They're borrowing from a number of influences - O'Neil is just ONE of those influences - as I've thoroughly documented, and you've chosen to ignore. How socially irritating. Great. Glad that they're being creative. However, Rachel Dawes was a horrible character. Joe Chill didn't spend 20 years in prison and the microwave emitter.... see below. Right. The microwave emitter. How exactly did that work again? When turned on, it turned all the water in Gotham to steam (or something very similar IIRC). What about the human body? Wouldn't the people in the train have been vaporized as well, since the majority of the human body is made of water? No one was wearing any protective suits and I'm pretty sure that microwaves would have an affect on the human body, so where was the realism in that? That's right! There wasn't any! It was a made up piece of machinery for a comic book movie about a guy that dresses up to scare the crooks in town. He met a guy that's essentially immortal and wants to take over the world. VERY realistic. You've convinced me.
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Post by DBrennan3333 on Jan 31, 2006 1:59:33 GMT -5
Reideen1313:
Thanks for your interest in my posts but I find your ideas worthless and your writing vapid.
(MODS: He insulted me first. See above post.)
Anyway, due to the fact that you don't respond to logic, there's no point in me talking with you.
So best of luck, DBrennan3333
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Post by reideen1313 on Jan 31, 2006 10:34:51 GMT -5
Reideen1313: Thanks for your interest in my posts but I find your ideas worthless and your writing vapid. (MODS: He insulted me first. See above post.) LOL! Where? Perhaps that's becuase I can site actual references for the basis of my arguements? Nope - no 'fact' there! Darn. You're leaving? Shucks.
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 1, 2006 2:25:52 GMT -5
OK. now, we can get back to some intelligent fan discussion.
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 8, 2006 18:23:39 GMT -5
Great. That guy's gone. Let's get back to business here.
I think I got a good idea here. If they ever put the mayor of Gotham, I know the perfect person: Adam West.
Is anyone with me on this one?f
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Post by Batlaw on Feb 8, 2006 21:07:47 GMT -5
Great. That guy's gone. Let's get back to business here. I think I got a good idea here. If they ever put the mayor of Gotham, I know the perfect person: Adam West. Is anyone with me on this one?f NO. IMHO that would be a very bad idea. Assuming youre being serious of course? (no disrespect to the great Mr. West of course either)
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 8, 2006 21:22:59 GMT -5
Great. That guy's gone. Let's get back to business here. I think I got a good idea here. If they ever put the mayor of Gotham, I know the perfect person: Adam West. Is anyone with me on this one?f NO. IMHO that would be a very bad idea. Assuming youre being serious of course? (no disrespect to the great Mr. West of course either) It was just a thought. But I really don't see him being the mayor of anything besides Quahog and Gotham.
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 12, 2006 14:23:51 GMT -5
You guys remember Harvey's assisstantn Vernon in The Long Halloween? Well I think the perfect person to play him is Seth Green. I know some you have said he could play Firefly though.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Feb 14, 2006 8:27:06 GMT -5
Hm? I thought he would be a good Firefly. I guess I'll have to reference that character. Oh, by the way. I saw The Howling yesterday & in one seen half of his face was all evil looking & the other half human. Anybody think Two-Face's left half should look like that?
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