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Post by /\/\att on Dec 16, 2004 0:05:38 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Ok...now that DC has redeemed themselves...lets start the new speculation...
....I really think its possible that once harvey got his face fixed a NEW personality emerged...one that realized what his subconscious never wanted to let him admit to himself...Bruce is Batman..he knew him well, it was obvious!
as for the meeting on the bridge at the end of the Hush arc? Clayface was involved..hence why the body disappeared when it hit the water....[/shadow]
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Post by HUSH on Dec 16, 2004 15:52:31 GMT -5
Interesting theory! I myself wouldn't want it to be Harvey, but that's entirely possible!  |
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 16, 2004 16:35:26 GMT -5
Jason Todd or Jean Paul Valley
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 17, 2004 0:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by gotham95 on Dec 17, 2004 0:54:55 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Ok...now that DC has redeemed themselves.......[/shadow] [shadow=blue,left,300]OK, I guess I missed something. How has DC redeemed themselves? Now I am three weeks behind on comics due to waiting for my monthly shipment so if something has happened this month I haven't read it yet.[/shadow] |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 17, 2004 1:10:04 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]OK, I guess I missed something. How has DC redeemed themselves? Now I am three weeks behind on comics due to waiting for my monthly shipment so if something has happened this month I haven't read it yet.[/shadow] [shadow=green,left,300]in the latest issue of Gotham Knights, DC finally revealed what I've been saying all along.....Thomas Elliot is NOT Hush! He's actually a prisoner of Hush's right now! This was my major issue with the arc...it was a lame cop-out...and now that its been proven wrong, the mystery is back on, and I am free to like Hush again![/shadow] |
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 17, 2004 6:35:54 GMT -5
Whether it pans out or not, I'm still rooting for Jason Todd and the whole Lazarus Pit thing makes sense, especially since it was part of the initial storyline. I hope it's not JPV. Don't get me wrong, I actually kinda like Azreal (in his ORIGINAL costume) but I'm still trying to forget his stint as the Bat. Hey, maybe Hush is Bat-mite, hmmmm.
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Post by anthonywayne on Dec 17, 2004 11:16:23 GMT -5
SPOILER[shadow=green,left,300]in the latest issue of Gotham Knights, DC finally revealed what I've been saying all along.....Thomas Elliot is NOT Hush! He's actually a prisoner of Hush's right now! This was my major issue with the arc...it was a lame cop-out...and now that its been proven wrong, the mystery is back on, and I am free to like Hush again![/shadow] Okay, great - Tommy Elliot is not Hush. Why did the Riddler then say that Elliot had such a "mad-on" for Bruce Wayne? He specifically said this, no question. What are we supposed to get from this? Look, I absolutely loved the Hush series, and the disappointment of the ending has left me slightly bitter. I want to satisfying resolution to all this - even if it takes killing (or resurrecting) a major character to do it. |
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Post by jlavaia on Dec 17, 2004 16:52:14 GMT -5
ok the mad-on thing could mean that Tommy Elliot is gay. also if you go back to when Harvey Dent goes into Gordan's room during "Hush", he is wearing a brown trench coat and he just had plastic surgery, now i think this was done to make the reader think that Dent is Hush or that its too obvious, it cant be, but it may just turn out to be true. and sorry Matt, you're on the money almost always but i may have to disagree with the new personality, i think he was truly happy and feeling great when it was done, but there were complications and he was left horribly scarred, and brought him back to the bad side of two-face permantly, just without the disorder. if you remember when he was two-face he would flip if someone called him Harvey. and if you recall when Batman calls Hush Tommy in GK # 55, he gets mad and says its Hush.
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Post by HUSH on Dec 17, 2004 17:05:45 GMT -5
I don't think it's Jason Todd; he would be a kid if he were ressurected. I believe he's alive, but I don't think he's Hush. That would be interesting, tho. Jean Paul Valley...no. I don't think so. ;D
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Post by Batlaw on Dec 17, 2004 17:16:48 GMT -5
Jlavaia: "Tommy Elliot is G*+".....? He said... "MAD - on".  |
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 17, 2004 18:30:59 GMT -5
ok the mad-on thing could mean that Tommy Elliot is gay. No. It does not. if you remember when he was two-face he would flip if someone called him Harvey. and if you recall when Batman calls Hush Tommy in GK # 55, he gets mad and says its Hush. Right - Hush said that because he's not Tommy - not necessarily because it's Harvey. If Matt walked up to me and said "Hey Bob." and I got mad and said, "It's Reideen.  " would that really mean that I'm Harvey Dent? I could be y'know - you never know who's on the other end of the computer.... |
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Post by Longbowhunter on Dec 18, 2004 18:08:46 GMT -5
I was quite surprised by this issue...in a good way.Now as to who HUSH really is? I dont know but it would be cool if it was Jean Paul.I have ALWAYS thought he would make a better villian than a hero.He was given all of Bats secrets on a silver platter and I was never really happy with the way they ended Knightfall....Jean Paul killed in the name of Batman.Ex-freinds always make the best villians.Of course this could also apply to Harvey Dent as well....I'm curious to see where they go with this.
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Post by HUSH on Dec 18, 2004 22:45:16 GMT -5
I dont know but it would be cool if it was Jean Paul.I have ALWAYS thought he would make a better villian than a hero.He was given all of Bats secrets on a silver platter and I was never really happy with the way they ended Knightfall....Jean Paul killed in the name of Batman.Ex-freinds always make the best villians. Good point, that would be cool, now that I think about it.  |
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Post by HUSH on Dec 18, 2004 22:46:05 GMT -5
But what would be Valley's motive? |
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Post by Longbowhunter on Dec 18, 2004 23:56:01 GMT -5
Perhaps revenge? JPV was always at odds with the Bat-family,even after the events of Knightfall when he reformed and turned into Azrael again.Plus,Jean Paul was insane,at least the way he was portrayed in Knightfall.After awhile he truely believed he WAS the Batman,even after Bruce reclaimed the mantle.His crazy obsession with Bats could have taken another turn and lead to his becoming HUSH.But.....I dont know if Jean Paul was/is smart enough to be as devious and as calculating as HUSH has been.The more I think about it,the more I like HUSH being a 3rd personality for Harvey Dent.
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Post by Longbowhunter on Dec 18, 2004 23:58:12 GMT -5
Something else I noticed in this issue,when Bats confronted Ivy,he asked where Alfred Pennyworth was and Ivy asked "is good help really that hard to find?"
so does this mean Ivy knows Bruce Wayne is Batman? Maybe Riddler spilled the beans after all...
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Post by Dr. Baghead on Dec 19, 2004 16:17:35 GMT -5
I hope it's not him. I mean it's an interesting theory, but there are two things you should never do with a mystery story: 1-Introduce a brand new character into a preexisting cast for the sole purpose of making them the gulity party 2-Have it turn out the gulity party is someone we haven't seen in the story up until the big reveal Both of those really draw a reader out of a story (as the backlash from the orginal Hush ending proves) and although JPV would make a better Hush then Tommy, the fact he wasn't mentioned in the Hush arc seems to indicate it's not him. I bet Hush IS Tommy Elliot!! He's probably just pretending to be Hush's prisoner so Batman thinks "oh so it wasn't Tommy!" but then BAM! He totally is! |
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 20, 2004 1:02:48 GMT -5
As far as HArvey goes, Two-Face is either my favorite or one of my favorite Bat Villians...but I would LOVE to see a reformed HArvey picking his life up where he left it in Long Halloween. It'd be awesome for him to evetually become DA again. I really like HArvey.
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Post by Darthm on Dec 20, 2004 6:47:01 GMT -5
I would LOVE to see a reformed HArvey picking his life up where he left it in Long Halloween. It'd be awesome for him to evetually become DA again. I really like HArvey. That would be good. I hope Harvey isn't Hush; something about that happening just kind of bugs me. My money is still on Jason Todd. |
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Dec 20, 2004 16:50:09 GMT -5
After Re-readign Hush, I think you're definitely right about this, Matt.
Harvey is Hush and Red Hood is Jason Todd.
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Dec 20, 2004 18:03:31 GMT -5
Hrm... I rescind the above statement.
I think nothing.
I know nothing.
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 20, 2004 21:00:49 GMT -5
'kay, As much as I really want it to be Jason, I'd also buy Hush as Harvey's 3rd personality.
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 23, 2004 5:12:40 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I know that some people might think making Harvey Hush would be a cheap way out, but I honestly feel like it would add more depth to an already beloved character. Give us more Harvey time.....I guess it just reminds me of the old BTAS episode, the judge....know what I mean? You typically have more than one alternate personality.
I'd rather it be Harvey than some unknown. The hilarious thing is that even if Hush knows batman's identity, if two face ever came back, he wouldn't lol[/shadow]
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Post by anthonywayne on Dec 23, 2004 10:09:10 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I know that some people might think making Harvey Hush would be a cheap way out, but I honestly feel like it would add more depth to an already beloved character. Give us more Harvey time.....I guess it just reminds me of the old BTAS episode, the judge....know what I mean? You typically have more than one alternate personality. I'd rather it be Harvey than some unknown. The hilarious thing is that even if Hush knows batman's identity, if two face ever came back, he wouldn't lol[/shadow] While that would be great, what about this thing with Tommy being so mad at Bruce? Did the Riddler just make that up? I'm just having a hard time reconciling that - in fact, I'm having a hard time reconciling the whole thing with the Riddler, period. It seems that no matter what direction this goes, there will be unanswered questions and dead-end plot points. I hope not, but I can't see any other outcome. |
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Post by Arkham16 on Dec 28, 2004 23:00:43 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Lesson 1: Matt is ALWAYS right!
Look at previous posts where matt speculates about somethin', he has a weird sixth sense 'bout these things. Anyways it would be kinda cool for Harvey to be Hush. I haven't seen a good Harvey/Two-Face story in the present contuity lately so it would be a nice relaunch. Jason Todd being Red Hood? ooo that seems like an interestin' read, soon![/glow]
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 28, 2004 23:37:04 GMT -5
While that would be great, what about this thing with Tommy being so mad at Bruce? Did the Riddler just make that up? I'm just having a hard time reconciling that - in fact, I'm having a hard time reconciling the whole thing with the Riddler, period. It seems that no matter what direction this goes, there will be unanswered questions and dead-end plot points. I hope not, but I can't see any other outcome. [shadow=green,left,300]See the thing is we don't know how far back this plot goes...it really depends on who Hush is. Keep in mind that while a genius, Riddler is very gullible...I'm sure he really does think Hush is Tommy.[/shadow] |
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Post by HUSH on Dec 28, 2004 23:45:49 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Keep in mind that while a genius, Riddler is very gullible...I'm sure he really does think Hush is Tommy.[/shadow] GOOD point! That's probably it! By this time, I'm convinced that Hush must be a) Harvey Dent, or b) Jason Todd resurrected. The other option is someone who hasn't been introduced yet, like Tommy's twin brother! ;D I really don't want it to be someone new, as in most mysteries, the culprit turns out to be someone already in the story. So should it be! I personally want Jason to be Hush.  |
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Post by Batleaf93 on Dec 29, 2004 12:34:01 GMT -5
I really hope it is jean paul valley. |
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Post by TheQuestion on Dec 29, 2004 17:56:13 GMT -5
well, I love Hush as a villain, and felt cheated when it was just revealed as a plot created by the Riddler.
Im so happy that it is much much more.... I havent gone to my comic store lately and am will be happy to read up on HUSH.
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